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Post by Arhyne07 on December 16th 2012, 7:02 pm

What is everyones thought on clear coat? Will automotive clear work with rusto? Or is there any clear that is recommended to go with the rusto? I Would like this paint job to last for more than just 2-3 years.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 9:31 am

If it's OK I would like to share my thoughts on clear coat. Clear coat was designed to be used over metalic colors to bring out the metalic and to give the paint "depth". It adds nothing to paint durability. Your durability is based on a few things, hardness of your paint, how well it has adhired to whats under your paint and if your paint is cured correctly. Adding a clear coat will do nothing for your paint other then make more work not to mention that it makes spot repairs more difficult. The base coat color does not have a hardener in it and is designed to dry very quick, Rusto enamel is a very slow drying paint so if you add clear over Rusto your Rusto will never cure correctly and will probably bubble with in a few months.
This is only my opinion based on my experience.
Again welcome and feel free to ask any questions. There are some great people on this forum that are more then happy to help you out.
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 9:58 am

I would like to thank you for the quick response! What is the preferred method to get the rusto to last the longest and not fade. I plan on going with a gloss black so I am worried that after a few years it will fade to grey.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 10:07 am

I added harder to my paint. When I use to spray enamel many years ago (which is all rusto is) you had to add a hardener. This lets the paint cure so you can wetsand/rub it plus it's where you get your UV protection to keep the paint from fading. Rusto Marine paint is a much better paint then the regular Rusto.
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=4

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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 11:07 am

OK awesome yeah that makes a lot of sense. Did you add hardener to each coat? And how does the mineral spirits come into play with this? Sorry for all the questions I've done body body work and primering before but never sprayed any paint. Also what type of primer to use? Hood and roof on my truck are faded and peeled down to metal
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 11:16 am

I did add to each coat. Just a small cap full. If you look at my 63 Falcon in the project section I listed all the materials that I used and my mixing ratios. Im a huge fan of Penatrol also. This made the paint flow out nice. Your paint will dry much quicker when you add hardener. Weather temp/humidity plays a huge factor in this also.

I really like the Rusto primmer in the gallon can. Covered great, sanded like butter and had good build.
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 12:06 pm

OK thanks! I'm planning on starting next week so how does weather and temp factor in? I'm assuming it will be around 40-55 deg
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 12:18 pm

if its to hot the paint will dry to fast and not flow out, to cold and the paint will blush, to high humidity and it will dry to fast and orange peel. I like painting between 50-65, low humidity
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 12:31 pm

What do you mean when you say blush? Also is there any thing that will make that rusto topside black "more blacker" or is that just one of the trade offs of the cheaper paint job
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 12:35 pm

blushing is when it looks blotchy in certain lights. Thats why black rusto doesnt look jet black like it should.
Try painting a test panel with black rusto, adding a hardener and buffing it after a few weeks. I will bet you will get good results.
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 12:38 pm

OK awesome! Thanks for the great advise! I plan on starting next week so I'll post updates as I go :-)
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 12:43 pm

Your very welcome. Ask a lot of questions, it's easier then fixing screw ups...
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 1:51 pm

One more question. You said you were a fan of penatrol? What is that and what does it do for the mixture? Also do I need to do sanding between coats if I am going to spray. My assumption was to spray a few coats with 15-20 min between .. do I need to let primer dry completely before applying color coat?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 1:56 pm

Primer needs to dry at least 24 hours, sanded with 400, then apply color.
Penetrol is added to your paint mix it lets the paint flow better. Being you're spraying you won't need it. It's more for rolling or brushing.
You wont sand untill your all done spraying.
What kind of gun and compressor are you using?
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 2:06 pm

I'm using a 50gal compressor I'm sorry I cant rember brand name... I'm going to use a hvlp gun
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 2:11 pm

50 Gal will push a lot of air for sure. HVLP gun takes a little getting use to but once you get the hang of it they really spray nice.
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 17th 2012, 2:28 pm

So after primer sand with 400? Is that just to rough up the surface or do I need to work down to 100 to gget primer smooth before color? And you say I shouldn't use penatrol since I'm spraying?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on December 17th 2012, 2:37 pm

if your body work is good and straight, then sand your primmer with 400. anything courser will leave to deep of a sand scratch and will show through your paint.
No Penetrol for spraying
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 22nd 2012, 3:01 pm

How much hardener do I need to add? And do I need to add it to the paint mix or add it to the paint hopper right before I spray?
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Post by cac1967 on December 22nd 2012, 3:52 pm

Mix your paint in A 1 GALLON graduated paint pail, you can get these at home depot or lowes, My personal mix ratio is usually 4:1 or 4 parts paint to 1 part hardner, or 3:1:1 , 3 part's paint 1 part hardner 1 part thinner, hope this help's. thumbs up
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 22nd 2012, 3:55 pm

Thanks for the advise ... does that mix need to be adjusted for temp... going to be45-55 deg
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Post by Arhyne07 on December 22nd 2012, 4:09 pm

What is good to wipe vehicle down with right before spraying?
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