2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

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Post by Prospector on September 6th 2013, 9:36 pm

yep.... wet sand and sand until the orange peel levels out.
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Post by VeggieBullet on September 6th 2013, 9:53 pm

have like 4 coats alreadyahhh
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Post by Camaro Guy on September 11th 2013, 3:32 pm

Glad found this site before starting! Looks like you didn't follow proper procedure as to back rolling and sanding every other coat maybe? Did you go over it while still wet with a 2nd roller? After seeing your pics, I'm gonna practice technique on a spare fender first. I hate surprises. LOL
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Post by VeggieBullet on September 14th 2013, 7:06 pm

Actually, we are spraying with a HVLP gun and the main issue was we didn't jave any answers as the speed as we were working Laughing
We asked about the level of sanding between coats and unfortunately there was no answers and no very detailed pictures so we just kept on going and that caused a high build up of orange peel.
Issue was fixed by increasing the ratio of the penetrol in the mix. Still the wet-sanding is killing me between coats due the size of the truck.
I wish there is a "wet sander machine" out there...is it?
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on September 14th 2013, 10:49 pm

I guess any power sander you can come up with. Me, I'd want the one which allows the longest piece of sand paper possible.

And don't be afraid to step down in grit. Heck, I ended up dropping down to 180 to color-sand mine. (Yep! I found some wet/dry 180, and my paint was really OP'ed) My main regret is not having used a longer block with the 180, as that would've been the time to get it more level - I have some waves. I used a 4 inch block all the way through.
But after using 180, I then went back over with 220, 300something, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, and finally 2000. I used all of those grits in order to minimize sanding scratches - and I was largely successful as far as I can tell. Alternating the direction of your sanding stroke by 90 with each new/higher grit, is the best way to be able to make sure the sanding scratches disappear, when working your way up through the grits.

Everyone says that prep is the most important part, but in my opinion, the finish-out (wet-sand and buff stages) are the most important part. The "finish-out" is ultimately what makes or breaks a paint job. If you do a perfect finish-out, you'll probably find some mistakes from prep. If you botch the finish-out, you will be less able to judge the prep job underneath the paint.

The finishing out stages are where you make the most dramatic difference - other than something like a color change...
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on September 14th 2013, 10:50 pm

But if you're using a power sander, you can get away with higher grits too. 400 might be too low with a power sander...
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on September 21st 2013, 6:46 am

Tommy Hillbilly wrote:....And don't be afraid to step down in grit. ...
I just did it by mistake, went to HD and got more #600 and in the box it was a 400 package so when I started working I noticed the difference and looked at the back and noticed.
A lot better results.
Have another cat and better results, will post pics in a little bit
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Post by VeggieBullet on September 21st 2013, 7:08 am

Here are some pics of the 4th coat



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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on September 21st 2013, 7:11 am

running out of hardener and the ebay source will have me waiting for another week,
will like to paint another 2 coats this weekend, any other source? I saw Advance as an option but isn't that hardener for automotive paint (acrylic enamel) not for oil base paint?
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by Samilcar on September 21st 2013, 11:04 am

valsparpaint.com has a retailer search that might be helpful. Most tractor supply or farm and fleet type stores should carry the right hardener.
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Post by VeggieBullet on September 22nd 2013, 7:16 am

Samilcar wrote:valsparpaint.com has a retailer search that might be helpful. Most tractor supply or farm and fleet type stores should carry the right hardener.
thanks for the link but I tried that before and it showed Lowes and they don't carry it anymore according to what they told us.
Found this in Tractor Supply:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/majicreg%3B-catalyst-hardener-1-2-pint
Used Valspar in the last 2 coats and 2 questions:
1) Not a big fan on mixing brands ( 2 coats of paint with Valspar hardener and 2 more with another hardener) can anything go wrong?
2) noticed that when applying another coat in top of the one with the hardener ( 1 day lapse between coats) the paint doesn't stay with the "wet and shiny" look, it dulls and gets flat! but if we sand and then re-coat the shine stays....what's going on?
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by Samilcar on September 22nd 2013, 9:45 am

After a coat with hardener has dried and cured over 24 hours, it shouldn't matter if you recoat it with paint using another brand of hardener.

Not sure what's happening with #2.
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on September 22nd 2013, 10:33 am

thanks for the reply.
#2 is totally shocking me, in the first coat the wet look is great but once laying another coat it gets a cloudy and flat look.
Also noticed that the paint is not that hard after even few days of letting it cure, can I increase the hardener ratio safely?
Going to Tractor Supply now...
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by kdiddy on September 22nd 2013, 12:24 pm

They have Valspar hardener here
http://forge.doitbest.com/Gloss+enamel-Valspar+Corp-model-018.0004625.003-doitbest-sku-772462.dib
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on September 22nd 2013, 7:17 pm

kdiddy wrote:They have Valspar hardener here
http://forge.doitbest.com/Gloss+enamel-Valspar+Corp-model-018.0004625.003-doitbest-sku-772462.dib
thanks for the link.
the source to get it online wasn't an issue,we were trying to find something local in order to paint 1 or 2 more coats. But the weather said NO so it was just some sanding, but now the truck is ready.
Still wondering about increasing the hardener ratio, does anybody has an idea?
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on September 23rd 2013, 3:42 pm

2 questions for everyone out there.
1) can we increase the ratio of the hardener? pros and cons?
2) it looks like it will be raining all week, the truck is outside under a tent, I'm a kind of afraid of painting outside with the high humidity factor. Can the humidity affect the final product or it just affects the curing time?
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by Camaro Guy on October 3rd 2013, 3:59 pm

Well since nobody else is jumping in....I'd be afraid to change hardener ratio and would go with mfr recommendation. That said, maybe you can, I just probably wouldn't.

Have had bad experiences with oils and damp weather. Had it go milky on me one time on a somewhat foggy night. So, again I'd probably be cautious here and wait for better weather.
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Re: 2nd Gen Dodge - The Resurrection

Post by VeggieBullet on July 15th 2014, 3:10 pm

Hi guys, it's been a year and the paint was never able to keep the gloss look.
We like the color but not the finish, I'm now seriously considering wet sanding, 1 more coat of paint and the few coats of a high gloss oil base spar varnish. Did anybody ever tried this?
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