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1998 Jaguar XJ8 Vanden Plas

Post by Samilcar on October 25th 2015, 2:55 pm

New project car I've been working on. Previous owner wrecked it in an ice storm, and it had been sitting outside for about a year and a half before I bought it off Ebay.







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Post by Samilcar on October 25th 2015, 3:11 pm

Damaged door replaced with used part ($190 for door shell, $70 for window glass, $18 replacement window track, $56 door moulding, $34 sill moulding, $34 chrome window trim), damaged fender replaced with used part ($93). Original paint scuffed, dings and dents filled with body filler.





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Post by Samilcar on October 25th 2015, 3:27 pm

Black epoxy primer ($43 combined for 1 qt primer and catalyst) and reducer ($35) I'm currently rolling on:



And single stage two-part urethane paint ($77 combined for paint and activator) that will be rolled (crosses fingers):



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Post by Samilcar on October 27th 2015, 2:56 pm

Two coats of epoxy primer rolled. The first coat was a thin sealer coat (12 oz paint, 12 oz catalyst, 5 oz reducer), the second coat was full thickness (12 oz paint, 12 oz catalyst). Whatever solvents are in this primer did not react well with the foam roller, I could only use a roller for 5 minutes before it started to disintegrate. 3-4 rollers were needed for each coat. Both coats were wet sanded with 600 grit paper.




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Post by Noah Zarq on October 28th 2015, 7:31 pm

That looks really good! I've never tried rolling on any premium primer, but it looks good. Last time I just used a really thick filler/primer and it came out lumpy. Yours looks good.
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Post by Samilcar on October 31st 2015, 1:14 pm

Thanks. The first sealer coat had a lot of runs that needed to be sanded out, but that was mainly my fault. I was using too small of a paint tray, so I couldn't really squeeze out enough primer from the roller in the tray. I used a bigger tray for the second primer coat, so I was able to get a much less loaded roller and it turned out much better, with no runs.
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Post by Samilcar on October 31st 2015, 1:27 pm

Two coats of paint rolled on. The first coat was a little too under-reduced (16 oz paint, 5.3 oz catalyst, 8 oz reducer) and had a little too much orange peel that had to be sanded. There were bubbles from rolling that popped but weren't able to flow back down into the paint 100% before the paint flashed and solidified. This second coat had more reducer (15 oz paint, 5 oz catalyst, 10 oz reducer) and laid down a lot flatter, with just a little bit of orange peel. This paint also attacks the roller foam a lot less than the epoxy primer, no disintegrated foam bits in the paint.




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Post by Samilcar on November 7th 2015, 11:26 am

4th coat rolled. I dialed back the amount of reducer in this 4th coat (3 part paint/1 part activator/1.75 part reducer). This is halfway between the too thick 1st coat (3 part paint/1 part activator/1.5 part reducer) and the thinner 2nd and 3rd coats (3 part paint/1 part activator/2 part reducer). Gloss and orange peel with this last coat are identical to the thinner 2nd and 3rd coats, so I'll keep this mix for the remaining coats. 600 grit wet sanding between each coat so far, the next sanding will be done with 1000 grit.




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Re: 1998 Jaguar XJ8 Vanden Plas

Post by wantajav on November 9th 2015, 8:37 am

Great progress Samilcar- especially how that hood straightened out

(By the way - how is the Red Geo Storm paint holding up --- regular Rusto if I remember corrcectly)

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Post by Samilcar on November 9th 2015, 9:25 am

Still driving the Storm, the red rustoleum paint has faded very slightly after two years of never being garaged (one of the reasons I'm trying urethane paint with this car), but otherwise looks good. I'll post some updated pics in that thread later on today.

The hood was actually easy to straighten out. Vise-grips took care of the banged up edge by the fender, and a few taps of a hammer straightened a slightly bent hood latch post on the driver-side rear. I ended up stripping most of the paint on that side of the hood because there was already a pretty thick skim coat of body filler underneath the existing paint from a previous repair, I wanted to see how far this skim coat was applied (pretty far as it turned out). The bashed-in rocker panel underneath the damaged rear door was a different story, most of my body work effort was spent there. I ended up having to cut the top of the rocker panel and then pull it out with chains and that garage post you see in some of the pictures. The sheet steel of a 4,100 lb Jaguar is much thicker and harder to move than the sheet steel of a 2,100 lb Geo, believe it or not Very Happy
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Post by wantajav on November 10th 2015, 8:45 am

I can believe a Jag >>>>> a Geo. Laughing

Following this thread with great interest

Got a 1969 Javelin I plan to do in Topside white a la rmdhokie's method
And a 1998 black Firebrd I'd like to try your urethane technique

One more thing - some of these rollers might be TPU -thermoplastic urethane foam, no surprise urethane paint solvent might begin to dissolve them --how are the rollers holding up now with the black paint?

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Post by Samilcar on November 10th 2015, 11:32 am

The paint doesn't attack the foam itself (like the epoxy primer), but loosens the bond between the foam and the solid plastic core of the roller (the part that the roller handle itself plugs into). This causes the foam to develop a wrinkle in the center of the roller. This wrinkle makes a visible impression in the paint immediately after being rolled, but the paint quickly flows back in to fill it, and this wrinkle isn't visible after about 30 seconds. If left on for more than about half the car, the entire foam roller will actually slide off the plastic core, so I've been using two rollers per coat to prevent that.
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6th coat rolled

Post by Samilcar on November 14th 2015, 12:14 pm

1000 grit wet sanding after 4th coat, 1500 grit wet sanding after 5th coat. Reflections starting to become more defined with the finer grit sanding. I have just enough paint left to do a final 7th coat.





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Post by wantajav on November 15th 2015, 10:41 am

Here's a black single stage urethane roll job from Australia --in case you're interested

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/holden-commodore-how-tos/76882-diy-painting-your-car-rollers.html

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Last coat rolled, wet sanded and buffed

Post by Samilcar on December 6th 2015, 4:05 pm

7th coat rolled, wet sanded with 3000 grit, 5000 grit, compounded with Meguiars M105 and final polish done with Meguiars M205. Paint has what I would call an "OEM level" of orange peel in this final coat, which I think is acceptable for a daily driver. Probably should have stuck with the most reduced mix I used (3 parts paint, 1 part activator, 2 parts reducer) in order to get slightly less orange peel. Next step is to start putting all the trim and brightwork back on and put on a coat of Meguiars M21 sealant.







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Post by wantajav on December 7th 2015, 5:20 pm

That's an OEM level job

Especially considering the pics also feature natural light I can see how great it turned out.

This is now the Apex of rolled on technology, actually painting black urethane to that quality. No hazing either which was a problem with many other black attempts. FYI A local paint shop looked at my 1998 mostly straight car but clear coat failures and chips ......$8,000-10,000 !!!! because they said they would only paint it if they stripped the whole car. I can paint the hood, mirrors, front fascia, and one quarter panel far easier and cheaper, THANKS Samilcar for showing us
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Post by Samilcar on December 7th 2015, 5:33 pm

No problem. Some of the hazing I've seen on other attempts looks like "blushing" which can happen with high humidity. All of my coats were done on low humidity days (~50%), and I had the garage closed overnight with electric heaters going to keep the temp above 70░F, so that probably lowered the humidity even further.
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Finally all done.

Post by Samilcar on January 23rd 2016, 2:03 pm

Pics of the finished product. This past week has been the first time I've actually gotten to drive it, as it's been stuck in my garage getting mechanical/electrical issues fixed (transmission shift cable adjustment and non-working turn signal).






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Post by rmdhokie on February 13th 2016, 3:32 pm

Great Job. Looks fantastic!
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on February 17th 2016, 10:11 pm

Wow, you really turned that into a nice car! áI'm guessing that you could resell that baby for a nice profit, while still pretty well under Kelly Blue Book.

I need to redo my car. áIt has a lot of chips now. áI've never done anything more to it than going to the spray-it-yourself car wash, (which made some of the chips) but overall, it still looks pretty good. áI'll probably touch up the white when the weather starts to get better.
Only problem is I don't have a place to work on it like I would want to for a full repaint.
I really want to go back to the original dark red, but I wouldn't mind having it black for a few years, first.
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Post by Samilcar on February 18th 2016, 11:17 am

Thanks. Kelly Blue Book value for this mileage car (123000 miles) in perfect condition is $3,100, and I'm already into it for just over $3,300, so it's going to be my daily driver. I knew that going in, though. After fixing up the Geo, I was looking around for a cheap 15-20 year old Cadillac to fix up (they depreciate fast after hitting the 10 year old mark too) and found this Jag and pretty much fell in love with the looks of it.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 23rd 2016, 8:04 pm

Nice job, really looks good!!! thumbs up thumbs up
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