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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 11th 2008, 3:18 pm

Well for a while i have been working on my car every weekend and i figured id post some pics on this site. Eventually i am planning on doing a rustoleum paint job but that probably is still a few months away. I really just thought of taking some pics so i don't really have any pics before i started. Anyway here is where i am so far:

This at one time was a nasty paint chip
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There was 6 holes in the trunk for the spoiler which i covered up. i don't like the spoiler.



This was a nice big rot hole in the quarter panel.



This i still need to fix. I'm going to get a new door and fender from the junk yard. it got sideswiped.




this is what it looked like almost 2 years ago. It was rear ended.


I plan on painting the car black in the next few months. Ill try to update every few weeks.
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Post by megaglow_z on May 11th 2008, 8:23 pm

now there is a car that has had a hard life.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 13th 2008, 3:03 pm

Hey i have a question. I was thinking should i just leave all the plastics on the car like the trim and bumper covers considering there is no flex additive in rustoleum. Or is it ok if i take them all off and paint them and put them on when done. Do you guys think it would crack. Also did you guys sand your car down with your hand on the sandpaper or did you sand with a block. I'm assuming by hand but i was just wondering.
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Post by retired plumber on May 13th 2008, 4:51 pm

By all means use a sanding block or a sander if you have one. It sure saves on the hands. When you just use your hand, your fingers will have a tendancy to make grouves (sp). You will still end up using your hands to get in some tight places tho.
My guy at my paint store told me I didn't really need the flex stuff for my escort bumper (auto paint) so I painted it off the car. Did the same thing with the Taurus bumper and no problems with either one. one was enamel and the other bc/cc.Your milage may very.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 13th 2008, 6:55 pm

I found this person on ebay that sells wet dry sandpaper and you pick the grits. what grits should i get. does 400 600 800 1000 and 1500 sound good and towards the end ill prob go and buy some 2000. i already have all the lower grits for the bodywork so i don't need them just the grits for sanding the paint.
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Post by retired plumber on May 13th 2008, 7:18 pm

Those grits sound fine but I got some of that ebay sandpaper and most is crap. It is made in China and just doesn't hold up well ( gets dull really quick. It may not feel like it to your finger but the cutting tips of the grit wear down really fast). Brand name stuff is more expensive at first but it will outlast the China stuff 3 to 1 so it is cheaper in the long run.
Also when you wet sand, put a squirt of liquid dish soap in your water and let the paper soak for a bit. I don't know why but it helps a lot when sanding and we need all the help we can get. Thats a lot of sanding. Have fun and post pictures as you go. Progress pictures are always neat. By the way. WELCOME
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 14th 2008, 4:21 pm

Also i was just wondering about how many sheets of each grit did you guys end up using.
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Post by retired plumber on May 14th 2008, 11:30 pm

Its hard to say. Lots of things to consider. I usually started with a 5 (I think) pack and went from there. I have been painting for years and always have sandpaper on hand so when I run out that is what I buy. I spray so I am not up to speed on sanding every other coat with progressvely finer grits. I final sand with 360 or 400 and then spray. color sand with 1000 and then 1500 and then buff. This is how I do my cars and to me it looks real good but then I am not going after show trophys. I drive my stuff.
But to answer your question another way.............a full sheet is cut to make 4 sheets to fit your sanding block and I always figured 2 cut sheets per panel ( hood, door, etc) so count your panels times 2 to get the number of full sheets you need and add one more. This should get you in the ball park.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 15th 2008, 9:24 pm

i figured id post a pic to show you guys what i bought today. I still need to get the sandpaper, ill prob get it tomorrow. Also the only thing left to do is some body work mainly the quarter panel and a few dings and rust spots. I might be starting the painting process sooner than i thought.

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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 15th 2008, 9:55 pm

I remember trying to take my bumper off a few months ago and there were these weird bumper cover clips made of black plastic holding it on. They sort of look like the size of a screw. I don't know if you guys know what im talking about but how do you remove these clips without breaking them. If you have no idea what im saying ill take a pic of them.
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Post by megaglow_z on May 16th 2008, 1:00 am

Just a word of advice.
Mix up ALL your paint at once, in one clean bucket, and then pour it into a large sealed container, or a couple smaller ones.
There can be diffrences between can tints that will really piss you off if they dont match.
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Post by retired plumber on May 16th 2008, 1:25 am

Pictures of the clips sure would help a while bunch.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 16th 2008, 3:41 pm

Ok here are the clips:


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Post by cyberized on May 16th 2008, 3:48 pm

Hope you bought at least one more roller...........use one to roll on the paint and the other to come behind your finished rolled out area and lightly roll to get rid of bubbles.
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Post by megaglow_z on May 16th 2008, 4:01 pm

The middle of that clip should pull up and unlock it.
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Post by retired plumber on May 16th 2008, 5:31 pm

That is a 2 part deal. The center part has barbs on it to hold it in place. The bumper ( in this case) has holes which match the body and the outer part of the fastener fits in these holes. The inner part then is forced into the center spreading it to make a tight fit. Think plastic rivet. You can pry the center piece out with a small forked prybar and then the outer part comes off. Some of the time they are reusable but you should replace them all anytime you remove them. They can be found at any large auto parts store and they are cheap. You may want to keep a few as samples when you go to get new ones as I believe they come in different sizes.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 16th 2008, 11:24 pm

Yup you guys were completely right i tried that a few months ago but i must have had a wimpy grip on the needle nose this time i went at it with some pliers and a superman grip and just pulled the middle pin out and the whole fastener came right out. Thanks guys. And i was also thinking i go over the whole car with 400 grit wet then a wipe down of mineral spirits right. Thanks again.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 18th 2008, 4:03 pm

Hey guys i really need some aluminum filler to fix a rust spot i have on my car but there is no place around here that sells that stuff and i don't really want to order it off the internet. Is there some sort of equivalent i can use to fix the spot of rust that i could easily find at like advance auto or pepboys or something thanks.
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Post by retired plumber on May 18th 2008, 8:07 pm

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...........If you have rust it will all have to be removed or it WILL come back. If your spot is just surface stuff remove it with a sander, wire brush, etc and your good to go. However, if it is all the way through you will have to cut it out and replace the metal with new. depends where the rust is as to the difficulty of this but you can go to the wrecking yard and get a patch panel and glue it in place with auto body specialty glue. No welding required but the mating surfaces must be clean. If it is a small hole than just use sheetmetal and a skim coat of filler over the joint. Sometimes you can use rust incapuslator paint like POR15 to seal it also. I have never used it but it is highly recommended. Go to your auto parts store and read the can for info. Sorry, but without knowing the extent of the rust that is all I can suggest.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 18th 2008, 10:33 pm

Yea that is exactly what i did i cut out all the old rust and cleaned the area up and put on a sheet metal patch with panel adhesive. I just wanted to use some aluminum filler to seal off the patch and make sure stuff cant get in from behind like water just in case the glue left a small hole were condensation can get in. But anyway i guess ill give that incapuslator a try.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 20th 2008, 10:17 pm

Ok well i didn't want to leave you guys hanging so i made a small update. Today i worked on a spot by the taillight that was pushed in due to the truck that rear ended me. I am not nearly done with the spot still have lots of work left to do tomorrow but so far so good. Take a look:

This is what it looked like right after it was pounded out:

Sort of hard to see but there is a few small dings, this was before:

After i pounded the fold out:

Ground it all to bare metal:



And this is where i am now. Probably just a little more filler and some glaze and ill be good to go, for this spot at least.


Also i don't know if you guys noticed but i took the extremely ugly pinstripes off yesterday. Pinstripes are one thing i really hate. Not to mention that they have to come off anyway so i can paint the car. This week and weekend im hoping to get everything repaired there are a few small dings and a couple rust spots i need to fix and the door and fender. And a few days ago i finally got around to pounding the huge dent left in the quarter panel from the side swipe. the thing was like a 2' x 2' dent that was probably 5 inches pushed in. Ill update this weekend im hoping.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 28th 2008, 10:28 pm

over the past few days i fixed a couple things and repaired a spot i did wrong before. Also i shaved my antenna. Btw the dates are all wrong as you can see. Here is were i am now:

I had to redo this area because last time i did it i didn't cut enough rust off and there were some rust through holes that were the size of a pin and the metal was very thin. Which caused little rust bubbles when i was done. i am happy im done with this. I don't like to redo things.


Before i shaved the antenna. Also this is before i fixed the problem spot rust through:



After i shaved antenna. This is the patch panel:

Filled:


This was the problem spot i had. It was a huge rot hole. Sorry i forgot to take a pic of the sheet metal patch:


All primed and looking good:
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on May 29th 2008, 9:29 pm

Ok today i did some more work all day and i completed the hood dings and the medium size fender dent. I have a bunch of pics they are below:

finished left quarter panel:


Almost finished right quarter panel:


Before hood ding fix:



Dents filled:



Primed:


Before left fender dent fix:


Primed left fender:


A few overall progress shots. I only have 3 major things to fix finally. I need to fix the two small rust spots and huge quarter panel dent on right side.




I am having some difficulty finding a used door at a junkyard. I have literally checked almost all of the junkyards in the phone book. This Saturday im going to go look around at a few more. I hope i can find one. Does anyone know of a site that sells used parts. Like an online junkyard. That has my door and fender thanks.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 2nd 2008, 10:15 pm

As you can see i finally got my new door and fender from the junkyard. the door is for a grand am gt so i need to grind off the little tabs on the bottom for the clips. but it will be fine:



The big dent i need to fix:



Here is that nasty big dent ground down to bare metal:



And this is where i am now it is covered up because it is suppose to rain tomorrow. But it is in filler under that, Right now i have the basic shape i want:


By the way post a reply and tell me what you think so far. And good luck with everyone else's projects.
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Post by wct203814 on June 2nd 2008, 10:28 pm

looks like you are pretty good at that dent repair! cars looking really good too! cant wait to see how it looks when ur done with everything! what color are you going to paint it? im debating on some stuff on my project but i think im almost ready for painting mabey a week away! what kind of primer are you working with? looks like it comes out really smooth! nice work.
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