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Re: 1994 Grand Am

Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 4th 2008, 10:27 am

Well the primer i started out with on the first few repairs was really thin i forgot the name of it though. The primer i am using now is duplicolor high build primer. It works great for filling in small sanding scratches. Iv only used it a few times but i really like the way the stuff goes on and fills small imperfections. good luck with your project.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 7th 2008, 12:04 am

Well i finally finished one of the biggest dents i ever fixed in my life and it looks ok. The pics are below:




Tomorrow ill get a pic with the trim on. All that is left is the 2 rust spots on the quarter panel wheel wells.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 7th 2008, 4:46 pm

Well here are the pics with the trim on. For what i started with it doesn't look bad at all.


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Post by megaglow_z on June 7th 2008, 6:23 pm

looking good man!
KEEP IT UP!
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Post by retired plumber on June 7th 2008, 6:44 pm

Boy, this car sure has come a looooong way. It's looking real good now. Seeing it with paint will be almost anticlimatic now after watching all the body work. Just kidding of course. Your doing such a good job cheers
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 8th 2008, 2:28 am

Lol i see what you are saying. The biggest surprises will probably be over soon but hey im just getting started i have lots of plans for this car once im done. Smile
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 9th 2008, 4:09 pm

Hey can someone give me a rundown of the whole process. So i was going to wash the whole car down with soap and water after wet sanding with 400 but do i do that after i wet sand every time or just wipe the car down with mineral spirits. After washing the car do i wipe it down with mineral spirits. Also how long did you guys let a single coat dry before you could put coat 2 on and how long should coat 2 dry before i wet sand. How many coats do you think ill need like 8. I guess you cant really tell till im laying them down though.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on June 14th 2008, 3:25 pm

I haven't really got much done in the past few days. But i was wondering if anyone has an answer to my questions above. Thanks.
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Re: 1994 Grand Am

Post by megaglow_z on June 14th 2008, 6:56 pm

After wet sanding, wash the car off, let it dry.
Then before you start the next coat, wipe down with MS.
You will only wet sand every other coat, but you will need to wipe it down with MS every time.
Its going to depend on the humidity, but usualy its dry by the next day.
Sometimes you can do one in the A.M. and one in the P.M. ,but the next day should be a sure thing.
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Re: 1994 Grand Am

Post by wct203814 on June 20th 2008, 12:16 am

so what color are you thinking of rolling on?
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Re: 1994 Grand Am

Post by megaglow_z on July 7th 2008, 11:48 pm

How is this going?
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on September 15th 2008, 10:47 pm

Well hey guys im back sorry for the huge absence in posts i just haven't Really been doing much to the car. I did do a few things. Atm im working on finishing up the last 2 rust spots by the rear wheels. Today i painted the whole front of the car with some nice high build primer. Lately i have been considering spraying the car since i have all the necessary equipment i have also sprayed before so im pretty good with a spray gun. i just have a few questions. What is the best ration to mix the paint at. I looked around and it seemed some guys were using 3:1 and some 1:1 im just not positive on that. So pretty soon ill try to post some pics of the car primed. Tomorrow i plan on doing the driver and passenger doors and ill just go from there. Look forward to hearing from you guys.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on September 17th 2008, 9:37 pm

Just wanted to let you guys know today i primed the front bumper cover tomorrow i should be doing the passenger and driver doors. Ill post pics soon.
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Re: 1994 Grand Am

Post by retired plumber on September 17th 2008, 11:27 pm

Well, If you are thinking of spraying, most of the modern auto paints are a 3 paint to 1 reducer mix. I haven't sprayed rusto so I can't say for sure but I would start from there. I believe the 1 to 1 ratio is the roll on ratio. Mix a bit and try. If you have sprayed before you know what you want and can add thinner or paint to get the ratio you like. Keep track of it and let us know as there are a few here that do spray some. Maybe Megaglow_z could chime in. I think he sprayed his Toyota truck.
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Post by megaglow_z on September 17th 2008, 11:57 pm

3 paint to 1 thinner is just about perfect.
If you do a 1/1 it will run as its too thin.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on September 18th 2008, 9:49 pm

Ok if i do that what will the sanding steps be like. Also how many coats.
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Post by megaglow_z on September 18th 2008, 11:47 pm

If your spraying, you will just want to knock the nibs off and make sure its smooth between coats.
Id do at least 3 coats.the more you do, the more you will be able to polish it without burning through to the primer.Show cars can have 6-9 coats.
This is how i did mine..

Smoothed final primer coat with 1000 grit wet sanding.
Next day. wiped truck down with MS waited 30 mins, wiped it down with a tack cloth right before spraying.
Next day, wet sanded LIGHTLY with 1000 grit and repeated.
I did a satin finish so i did not sand or buff final coat, but you will want to final wet sand with 2000 grit VERY lightly with lots of water to smooth out any nibs you have, then buff it out with your choice of polish.
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Post by retired plumber on September 19th 2008, 9:58 pm

Almost what Mega said but I sand my final primer coat with 400, wipe it down with a tack rag and put on color. 4-5 coats should be enough. I don't sand between coats when I am spraying. On your last coat, mix it real thin, just enough to color it) and hold the gun 2-3 feet from the car and just mist it on. This will NOT be a full wet coat. The idea is to permote flow out and help prevent orange peel. With any luck you wont have to sand and buff. If you are like me tho............ Laughing It all depends on how perfect you want it and what you can live with. If you do buff, use the 2000 grit paper for very light op or 1500 if you need to for heavier peel.
If you have never buffed before give me a shout and I can help you with that also or check out my other posts or posts started by Megaglow I replyed to. We have had quite a conversation about this kind if stuff. I have been doing this as a hobby for 40+ years so I do know a bit about it. Good luck
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Post by megaglow_z on September 20th 2008, 12:24 am

^^^^ Yep...he is the man!!! Smile

I had to sand between coats as i had NO cover at all and was shooting it in the great outdoors Smile
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Post by retired plumber on September 20th 2008, 9:08 pm

Thanks for the kind words Megaglow.
I should mention also that when sanding, put a little dish soap in the bucket with the sandpaper and let it soak a bit before using. I don't know why but it helps the paper glide across the surface easier and it stays clean and sharp longer that way.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on September 22nd 2008, 2:30 pm

Thanks for all the input guys. It really helped
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on October 1st 2008, 6:31 pm

Well i just wanted to let u guys know most likely im guna spray the car this weekend. It is starting to get golder and it needs to be done before winter. I have another question how long should i wait in between each coat with rusto. Thanks
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Post by retired plumber on October 2nd 2008, 12:38 am

Wait untill the paint gets tacky. Test it on the masking with your finger. When it gets kind of sticky, give it another coat. If you get a big run or lots of orange peel you should probably let it dry for at least 12 hours and then sand that spot. If this happens, when you start spraying again, hit that spot first and then do the whole car as normal. I always try to do all the edges and any sharp curves first and then do the whole thing for each coat. I don't know why but the paint tends to migrate away from edges and doing the above gives it a bit more so the paint isn't thin there. This also helps when you have to color sand and buff and lessens the chance of going through to primer. frustrated Also remember its only paint and it can be sanded off and be redone (something I have had to do a couple of times) so good luck and have fun.
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on October 5th 2008, 9:53 pm

Well i came to the conclusion that it is pretty much impossible for me to do the two huge rust holes in the wheel well in 1 day. So my new paint day is going to be this Tuesday. Today i got one of the rot holes done and tomorrow i plan on finishing the other. With the paint day pushed back i figured i will be able to get all the small things i missed before because i was rushing. I just took some pics of the car a few mins ago so here you go. Sorry its dark out i just wanted to give you guys a basic idea of where i am.

Here is the front end all primed:




This is the exhaust i fabed together last weekend. It sounds pretty good to. I ran straight pipes back from the cat:
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Post by DroppedGrandAm on October 7th 2008, 10:55 pm

Today i finished the last rot hole and also finished wet sanding. I thought i was going to be painting today but it got cold quick and after completely washing the car there was water in every small spot there possibly could be like behind trim and in cracks. So there was no way i could paint today. Tomorrow will most defiantly be paint day. It is suppose to be somewhat warm also. Tell me what you guys think so far im almost done. whew
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