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2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by BlackNDecker on November 29th 2009, 5:17 pm

Hello all...new here. hi

I am about to "roll" my 2001 civic (below for pics). I've seen some excellent results here and am hoping to have a good outcome as well.

I am thinking of going white or black at the moment...don't want anything too flashy.





So far, I've pulled the bumper off. I have sparyed several coats of "sandable primer" and wet-sanded with 400 grit paper.


I think I'm gonna need to recoat the whole bumper again because I'm getting some bare spots.


Should I use a roll on primer instead of a rattle-can primer???

Please feel free to comment.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: 2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by RoboGeek on November 29th 2009, 7:22 pm

I sprayed my primer.. but I used the rusty metal rustoleum because .. well.. I had rusty metal!.

I rolled on primer on my hood and upper body areas - mainly because I wanted it to fill in rock chips and where the clear coat failure made the surface rough

So I'd say use what work right in each area. Some areas its much easier to spray - like inside wheelwells
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Re: 2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by BlackNDecker on November 29th 2009, 8:48 pm

Thanks for the tip. I have some rock chips as well, so I'll try out the roll on primer.
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Re: 2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by 63Falconconvert on November 30th 2009, 9:13 am

Welcome.....
Looks like you're coming right along. One thing that I do when applying primer, after your done with the 400 grit, filling chips and so on, right before I apply color I prime one more time (spray) and lightly sand with a green scotch brite pad. This leaves a nice surface for the paint to "grab"ahold of. Again there are many ways to paint a car, and everyone has there own method, this is one of mine. Keep the pics coming and good luck.
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Post by retired plumber on November 30th 2009, 1:08 pm

For your rock chips you could fill them with polyester glase. It comes in a tube and is made especially for that. Get it at the auto parts store.
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Post by BlackNDecker on November 30th 2009, 9:25 pm

I got some glaze and filled in the rock chips. I assume it's OK to glaze over primer??? I will prime over the glaze as well...

I picked up some Rust-oleum Semi-gloss Black. I'm gonna go for the hot-rod "matte" look.

Couple questions:
1) I got oil based semi-gloss...is this the correct type? Or is Latex preferred?

2) The only roll on primer at Lowe's was latex based....can u use latex primer under oil-based paint?

Thanks in advance....I'm hoping to get two base coats of black on tonight.
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Post by retired plumber on November 30th 2009, 9:40 pm

You want the oil based stuff. If it says clean up with water DON'T USE IT.
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Re: 2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by BlackNDecker on December 7th 2009, 11:33 pm

I finally chose a color. This was the inspiration:


Found a really close match. Rust-oleum FTW...


First coat...



Two coats...



Dry sanded Shocked with 600 grit...then coats three and four:



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Post by RoboGeek on December 8th 2009, 9:24 am

the fun begins!!! w00t!
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Re: 2001 Civic - about to take the plunge

Post by BlackNDecker on December 10th 2009, 8:23 am

Alot of lint built up on the last coat. I think it was because I was wearing an old thermal shirt Sad Gonna have to lightly wet sand it out.

Also, I've been applying REALLY thin coats of 2:1 mixture to minimize orange peel (at the expense of more bubbles). I was thinking of wet sanding between every three coats. You guys think this would be OK?

Lastly, the cold dry winter here in MN (about 10% humidity cheers ) is speeding the drying process...almost to the point that I can barely get a coat on before the other side of the bumper starts to dry.
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Post by retired plumber on December 10th 2009, 11:33 am

Every body comes up their own way. There is no "right" way. It just seems every other coat is what works best but it depends on the orange peel. If it is minor let it go for another coat but if it is real bad you best sand it because it will get worse with each coat.
You do know of course the last coat can't be sanded because you are using a satin finish that can't be buffed. Sanding (however light) will show.
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Post by BlackNDecker on December 11th 2009, 10:32 am

Hmmm...I was not aware of that. The paint I'm using is a semi-gloss, is this what you meant by satin?

I vaguely remember reading a post on this forum, which I'm unable to locate atm, talking about achieving the "flat/matte" hot-rod look by using a semi-gloss paint and going through the usual process of wet sanding b/w coats 400-800-1000-1500...but NOT buffing out the final coat.

I'm worried about the durability of the semi-gloss paint...seems really vulnerable to smudging and scratching.

I wonder If I should just switch to Interlux and use a gloss to make life simpler. doh
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Post by Coconut Eater on December 11th 2009, 1:46 pm

In most cases, if you sand and buff a semigloss (satin) it will shine up almost as a gloss paint. Instead of starting over, why not just use up the paint you have, then do the final coats in a gloss of the same color?

I do not understand the current trend of flats and satins. Why paint it at all, then?

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Post by mazdawg78 on December 11th 2009, 2:16 pm

if you wet sand it it wont be satin. it'll have a dull shine to it. true satin you wont have any reflection. if you wet set sand it youre smoothing it out and building a low gloss

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Post by retired plumber on December 11th 2009, 4:58 pm

Satin = semi gloss. The problem is with sanded paint is that the surface is broken (roughed up) by sanding scratches and dirt, mud , moisture etc will adhere to it easier then smooth paint. Semi gloss is still smooth. By that I mean there is an unbroken surface ( no scratches).
I don't especially care for the flat or satin look either but thats in now. I think it basically started with "rat rods" which kind of copied early hot rods of the 40's and early 50's. by the time the motor was hopped up there was no money for paint but primer was cheeeep then.
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Post by BlackNDecker on February 5th 2010, 10:23 pm

Took a new direction with the paint. Decided to go gloss black...the paint surface was too fragile with the semi-gloss. Every light scrape left a mark.

So...I purchased a gallon of Rust-Oleum "Professional" Gloss Black and mixed it 1:1 with paint thinner.

I also constructed a paint booth out of PVC and plastic:


Here is the rear bumper:





Here is my reflection in the rear bumper:





Here is a shot of the trunk lid:


Compared to the OEM paint job:
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Post by retired plumber on February 10th 2010, 9:21 pm

That looks nice. How many coats and is it buffed out? anyway, looks to have a pretty good shine as is.
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Post by Rivethead on February 14th 2010, 5:57 pm

Looks really good. Good shine. I would like to see what the semi-gloss bronze would look like with a gloss clear sprayed over it.
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Post by BlackNDecker on February 20th 2010, 8:23 pm

retired plumber wrote:That looks nice. How many coats and is it buffed out? anyway, looks to have a pretty good shine as is.
mike

Sorry for the late response...been painting the fenders and hood.

I put around 8-10 coats...with wet sanding between every 2-3 coats. I stopped painting when the desired smoothness was achieved.

I haven't buffed anything out yet...I was gonna reassemble the whole car and then buff it all out at once. I'm actually scared I'll mess it up when I buff it out...hate to mess up all this work:naw:
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Post by BlackNDecker on February 20th 2010, 8:27 pm

Rivethead wrote:Looks really good. Good shine. I would like to see what the semi-gloss bronze would look like with a gloss clear sprayed over it.

Thanks man.

Not really sure about putting clear over the semi-gloss...it would kinda defeat the purpose of going semi-gloss in the first place. huh
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Post by retired plumber on February 20th 2010, 10:42 pm

If you do mess up a spot when buffing its not the end of the world you know. Just put a bit more paint on the spot, let it dry and buff again. Thats the neat thing about going without clear because you can fix spots without doing the whole panel.
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