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Post by Focus_rolld on March 3rd 2010, 11:21 pm

Well Everyone Sunday night I ordered Top Secret Coatings Aircraft Camo paint which is a Lusterless finish. It is a "Leapfrog Green" or Lime Green.
As soon as it arrives I will be getting supply's and taking on my first project. I will paint my Hood first to get the technique down before moving to the rest of the vehicle. I plan on scuffing with 220 Grit first coat 400 grit second and 3rd or final coat no sanding. I dont know how obvious OP will be in a flat finish so I may not wet sand between coats at all.



Edit :3/9/10 Paint Arrived and I got me some doughnuts


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Post by stang_krazy on March 3rd 2010, 11:48 pm

Hey focus

Have you practice on a junk hood or anything else yet?
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Post by retired plumber on March 4th 2010, 12:28 am

I think you better practice on something else first. Stay away from the 220. Use 360-400 grit on your primer before any color. ANYTHING rougher than that WILL leave scratches. Nothing under 600 for wet sanding the color and going finer each time you sand.

I would suggest, if you haven't yet, that you spend time here reading and studying for a while. Everybody does it a bit different but still it is approximately the same. What you are wanting to do is trouble in the making. Roller painting sounds easy but actually it is a lot of work. Three layers won't cut it but its a good start. Probably take at least 6 or more with sanding between every two. Also don't think you will be able to roll it on heavy to save coats and time because the heavier it is put on the more orange peel you get so the more sanding you get to do. Now if it was a offroad 4X4 being used for that only, the way you planned would work because you would be painting regulary but this is your street car and I assume you want it to look nice.

Your sweat equity is the trade off for $$$$$ spent on the paint job. I am NOT trying to flame you or piss you off in any way so please don't get me wrong. I have been painting for over 40 years as a hobby so I know a bit about it. Some people just see roller and cheap (I just rolled my house so how hard can rolling a car be) and think its easy. Well it aint. I just want you to understand what you have to look forward to. I'm sorry about the long post but I thought I had to set a few things straight. This isn't only for you but other nubies also because it looks so easy and a lot of them just jump in without studying it first.You have come to the right place to study about it and we do like to answer questions so if you don't understand anything, just ask. OK? Good luck. just my cents

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Post by hddm3 on March 4th 2010, 1:04 am

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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 4th 2010, 9:28 am

I agree with Mike. The key to a roll job is to take your time. Some things you just can't rush. It will pay off in the end.
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 4th 2010, 9:30 am

Yeah I understand Mike I have been reading on here and other sites every day studying up on the technique .I am not sure on the coverage per coat for this paint as I haven't found anyone who has used it.
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Post by Squire Cobra Jet on March 4th 2010, 3:26 pm

Focus_rolld wrote:Yeah I understand Mike I have been reading on here and other sites every day studying up on the technique .I am not sure on the coverage per coat for this paint as I haven't found anyone who has used it.

All the more reason to test it on an extra part you have before applying it to your car.
Also, I would not start with the hood if this is your first attempt at painting a car with a roller. unless you are removing the hood from the car in order to paint it. The large flat surfaces such as the hood and roof tops are the areas that really need fine tuned roller technique otherwise you will end up doing much more sanding between coats. The vertical panels such as doors and fenders are more forgiving as the paint will lay down flat without much technique. A little bet of time spent practicing will save you alot of time sanding and repainting.
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 4th 2010, 3:45 pm

I had planned to disassemble the entire car exterior (a.k.a bumpers hood fenders trunk lid doors) in order to be as thorough as possible in coverage.
so it is better to paint vertically than on a horizontal surface.

My Car doesn't have a lot of major curves to it would it be fine to use a larger Roller than a 4"?

Wow I am starting to second guess attempting this! I am now afraid of majorly screwing this up. I did how ever order a gallon of this paint. Does anyone know if i should have to thin this 1:1? I was thinking more 10-20%
not 50% . Does it depend on how well the paint levels out?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 4th 2010, 3:52 pm

From what I have read, no larger then a 4" roller. The paint will need to be thinned to the consistacy of skim milk. So you will have to thin it 1:1.
Check out: http://rollyourcar.com/default.aspx
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Post by retired plumber on March 4th 2010, 6:07 pm

That is the reason for pratice so you can figure out what works for you. Start your mix where ever you want and see what happens but you will probably end up toward a 50/50 mix and yes, it depends on how well the paint flows and levels out. Paint CAN NOT be screwed up forever. The worst that can happen is you sand it down and start over. A bit more work maybe but nothing will be forever ruined. DON"T BE AFRAID OF IT.

I don't remember all the various posts of people that have problems but they were all over come in the end. some of the things that happened were viscerene falling down on the car, bugs of course, rain ,sand storm, light standard falling on wet paint, dragging a extension cord over fresh paint(me lol), the previous undercoat from somebody elses paint bubbling up......you get the idea. Its only paint, you just say !##^%##, sand the problem out and go for it again. If you have problems just ask and we'll help you out. Remember the old saying...faint heart never won fair maiden...
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 4th 2010, 6:10 pm

I would like to thank everyone for being so helpful and not Flaming at all. I will most definitely ask if I have any Questions
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Post by retired plumber on March 4th 2010, 6:16 pm

Don't worry, we were all at your place at one time Smile .
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Post by RoboGeek on March 4th 2010, 7:58 pm

I used a 6" roller and found it to be much easier. I was using 4", but I ran lowes out of them so I got a 4 pack of 6 inch and it worked much better.

A 6" you get less pressure than you do a 4", and it seems paint control is easier. I was able to get even, super thin coats that dried within an hour, so i could go back over before the roller got hard or the paint in the tray set up. Those were my finishing coats.. almost no orange peel, and I was almost tempted not to wet sand. It looked as good as an earl schibe paint job..

alas, I succumbed to the shine gods and wet sanded and rubbed out
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Post by retired plumber on March 4th 2010, 9:43 pm

Robo and the shine gods Laughing . I love that one.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 5th 2010, 9:05 am

6" roller...good tip....will have to try that
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 5th 2010, 12:50 pm

OK so I contact a rep from Top Secret about information for a roll on application and recieved this response.
Other than label directions and the product data sheet which I have attached to this message we do not have written application instructions for this product. I can tell you that you can tip it. Additionally, you should not need to thin it unless the weather is hot or it is cold.
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Post by Squire Cobra Jet on March 5th 2010, 3:12 pm

If you read Rust-Oleum labels they say only 5 or 10 percent thinning. Everyone I know of that has used it for roll on application has found that 40-60 percent mix works best for rolling without issues of orange peel or roller marks. Being that you are using a different brand of paint you are going to have to test it to see what mix works best. If you don't care about orange peel or roller marks apply it as is. If you want a smooth even finish test it on a spare part first and dilute with mineral spirits until you achieve a smooth finish you are satisfied with. The mineral spirits helps the paint to self level and allows it to harden quicker.
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 5th 2010, 3:23 pm

So in a way I am Pioneering the use of this brand. Smile I will post what mixture works best for me .I am wanting a nice finish doesn't have to be absolutely smooth just not like the outside of a golf ball
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Post by RoboGeek on March 5th 2010, 7:29 pm

I wanna see a test panel to see what this stuff is, if you can. Or a pic of what its supposed to look like
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Post by retired plumber on March 5th 2010, 8:14 pm

The rep is quoting from a script lol. His directions are for if you are painting your wheelbarrow frame or lawnmower. A nice orange peel free finish is NOT what you will get with his directions. Pioneer this for us and be the first to say yea or nay.
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 6th 2010, 12:41 am

Oh I will most definitely post pictures of my test panel/ Fender

Edit : I never realized how stressful it is waiting on UPS to Deliver paint bouncelmao hair pull .
A little info.
Cost of paint + S&H - $113 - 1 Gallon
Cost of supplys - TBD
Cost of Hard work for Cheap Paint job that looks good- Priceless.

I am current Unemployed so I plan on taking my time to do this as properly as possible.

Edit 2 : The Company is Giving a $100 Credit to anyone who has Pictures that are worth using on their site.
I am Definitely taking my time to make it look real good hey


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Post by retired plumber on March 6th 2010, 11:13 am

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Just wondering why you went with this paint insted of rosto or brightside.
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Post by Focus_rolld on March 6th 2010, 11:48 am

Well their was a mention of it on the Moparts Thread,but as far as I know no one had followed through. I looked into it and saw that it seemed like a Quality Product. I figured i'd give it a try to see if they follow through on their claims. Rusto and Brightside have been done many times . I also could not find a color selection quite as vast as Top Secret, They also have the lusterless sheen in colors.
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Post by RoboGeek on March 6th 2010, 6:35 pm

wow.. thats expensive paint!
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Post by stang_krazy on March 7th 2010, 12:35 am

Focus_rolld wrote:Oh I will most definitely post pictures of my test panel/ Fender

Edit : I never realized how stressful it is waiting on UPS to Deliver paint bouncelmao hair pull .
A little info.
Cost of paint + S&H - $113 - 1 Gallon
Cost of supplys - TBD
Cost of Hard work for Cheap Paint job that looks good- Priceless.

I am current Unemployed so I plan on taking my time to do this as properly as possible.

Edit 2 : The Company is Giving a $100 Credit to anyone who has Pictures that are worth using on their site.
I am Definitely taking my time to make it look real good hey
I think this will be another great thread to follow, I too am getting interested in your outcome/progress and about this paint your using .I think the color will be different and grap your attention! LOVE IT!!

Why buy a gallon though, don't they sell by the quart?
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