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Post by 1tuff68 on March 9th 2010, 1:42 pm

Hi everyone, I was directed to this site from RoboGeek when he posted on my Meguair's Online thread I started about painting the hood on my '88 Mustang:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40341

I'm currently finishing out the rest of the top half of the car (going two-tone). Should have some fresh pics to post soon!

Great site, looking forward to learning more. I have an '86 Mustang convertible and a 1960 Falcon Wagon that I'm looking to paint next.
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Post by RoboGeek on March 9th 2010, 1:59 pm

Welcome to the forums!


we love pics!!!
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Post by Squire Cobra Jet on March 9th 2010, 2:43 pm

Welcome!
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 9th 2010, 3:41 pm

Thanks guys Very Happy

I should also throw in there that I specialize in paint correction. I run a detailing business on the side, specializing in paint correction and show car prep. I was turned on to the Roll On job on a Mustang forum that I belong to. I knew with my paint polishing skills I could make it look very good if not excellent.

Here's a few cars we've perfected:
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37535

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32327

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25653

I'll be happy to share any paint polishing tips or how-to's, just PM me.

Rolled on paint + paint polishing skills = very nice result Very Happy
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Post by stang_krazy on March 9th 2010, 3:59 pm

Hey fellow stanger welcome to rolledon, I too was informed by robogeek and also came over from MOL.

I do agree with you about this being a pretty cool site and going to get better i believe over the summer.
LATER


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Post by 1tuff68 on March 9th 2010, 4:00 pm

Glad you came over Very Happy
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 9th 2010, 4:48 pm

you just might be our new best friend Very Happy
Welcome to the forum from one Falcon owner to another. Would love to see some pics of your 60.
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Post by retired plumber on March 9th 2010, 7:20 pm

Me too, me too. I love the early Falcons. By the way. welcome lol.
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Post by RoboGeek on March 9th 2010, 7:44 pm

Glad your here.. many of us have questions about what will work best on a single stage paint job. Chemically many modern things don't mix well...
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 12:59 am

Thanks guys, looking forward to learning better techniques for applying the paint.

One thing I definitely recommend is a Porter Cable 7424 or Meguiar's G110 dual action polisher.

You can use it to sand, and it is critical for the final paint polishing.

For final wetsanding, I recommend ONLY Meguiar's Unigrit 2000 or higher. Unigrit has uniform particles and is less likely to leave nasty 'tracers' that are very difficult to polish out.


If you have never tried Meguiar's M105 on a DA for compounding, give it a try. You will be amazed!

Follow that with M205 for the ultimate in gloss and clarity.

I'll get pics of my falcon up soon!
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 1:01 am

63Falconconvert wrote:you just might be our new best friend Very Happy
Welcome to the forum from one Falcon owner to another. Would love to see some pics of your 60.

I'll post some soon...can you post some pics of your 'vert?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 12th 2010, 9:25 am

Here is the link to some of my pix:
http://rolledon.forummotion.com/projects-f2/engine-compartment-in-my-63-t388.htm
here are some more: http://community.webshots.com/user/bobannadominic

Polisher question, how does the Porter Cable perform with fresh wetsanded paint being it has D/A movment. I have a Dewalt DW849 with variable speed, love that machine. I have been eyeing that PC polisher but can't justify the cost of another polisher when my DW is only a few years old.
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 10:20 am

63Falconconvert wrote:Here is the link to some of my pix:
http://rolledon.forummotion.com/projects-f2/engine-compartment-in-my-63-t388.htm
here are some more: http://community.webshots.com/user/bobannadominic

Polisher question, how does the Porter Cable perform with fresh wetsanded paint being it has D/A movment. I have a Dewalt DW849 with variable speed, love that machine. I have been eyeing that PC polisher but can't justify the cost of another polisher when my DW is only a few years old.

The Dewalt is top of the line professional rotary and has more than enough power to remove the sanding marks left by final wetsanding. As you probably know it requires lots and lots of practice and alot of caution as it can remove the paint much faster than you put it on!

The DA polisher IMHO does a better job of finishing. On some paints it is difficult to leave a hologram-free finish with a rotary no matter how soft the pad and slow the speed. As a general practice, I do compounding with the rotary and final polishing with the DA.

For those people who just want to finish up their rolled on job without putting the many hours into mastering a rotary, the DA is a good choice because although it will take longer, you can compound with it and finish with light polishing to a brilliant gloss and shine.
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 10:29 am


Love, the falcon, you did a great job on the engine bay! Is the motor the 170? My wife's '67 Mustang had the 200. I really liked the motor once I put a Pony carb on it and got it to idle decent Very Happy

Great job on the Falcon. The engine really stands out rabbit
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 12th 2010, 10:33 am

Great info thanks. I have been using rotarys for over 20 years and feel confident when using one but I'm not one "set in my ways" and am always willing to try something new. I'm going to have to re-visit buying that PC D/A now, everything you're saying makes great sence..... And yes I have burned more then my share of paint with my rotary, part of the learning curve...lol......
Holograming drives me nuts, was never sure if it was the compounds, my speed or just the operator.
I have used Meguiar's waxes and cleaners for years and they are by far my favorite. I want to start using there compounds and polishes instead of the 3M products I have used in the past. So this is where you being my "new best friend" comes in.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 12th 2010, 10:38 am

thanks, The Falcon has been a great little car, very trouble free. The engine is a 200 from a 66 Stang and the trany is a C4 from the same donor car.
Which carb did you get from Pony?
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 11:23 am

This was about 3 or 4 years ago. At the time it was the only 1bbl carb they offered. I have since sold the car to a friend in Canada. He told me Pony released a new 1bbl carb that works much better (he bought one) but I haven't looked into it myself.

When I owned the car I was going to install an adapter plate and run a 2 bbl carb on it but never got that far. I was seriously look at the clifford performance stuff. I heard they have a new aluminum head out for the L6's
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 11:30 am

Meg's has a technology called "Super Micro Abrasives" that is in their newest products. The old technology in polishes and compounds by everyone else use Diminishing Abrasives - they break down as you use them. The Super Micro abrasives do not break down with use. They are like tiny ball bearings. Even the harshest compound (M105) can finish up like a final polish - it's truly amazing.

I suspect that is why 3M bought Meguiar's in '08, for the SMAT (Super Micro Abrasive Technology).

Meguiar's products using SMAT:
Retail - Ultimate Compound, ScratchX, SwirlX
Commercial: M105, M205, D151, M95

I probably forgot a few but these are what I use regularly
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 12th 2010, 11:41 am

more great info..my brain is going into polishing over load...lol
For us average hobbiests, what would you recommend for a rolled on paint job? Lets say in my case using my DW849 and for the guy using a Porter Cable D/A.
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 12th 2010, 3:14 pm

You should be able to cut the sanding marks with Ultimate Compound which is available retail at auto parts stores and even Walmart. Follow that up with SwirlX and a soft pad.

Both can be applied via Rotary, although I believe Meg's doesn't necessarily recommend rotary for them, they are more geared for DA and hand application.

One of the most important things you should consider is the quality of towels that touch your paint. Don't use auto parts stores microfiber towels on your paint! Get some good name brand towels (Cobra, Meguiar's, etc). I found this out the hard way LOL

The very best products you can use with your Dewalt are Meguiars 105, 205, and possibly 80 which is old school but very rich in polishing oils and single stage paint loves it.

IMHO, there are no better products on the market than 105 and 205. They are remarkable! Typically you'd cut (compound) with 105 and a wool pad, then follow that with a light foam polishing pad and 205. I have yet to see paint that doesn't respond fabulously to 205 - it is just that good of a final polish.

Check out www.autodetailingsolutions.net - excellent supplier that carries all of the products
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 15th 2010, 9:21 am

Thanks, I will get on line and do some research.
I have an attachment for my Dewalt that turns it into a D/A. I'll snap a pic of it this week and post it.
Wow ADS is a great site, looks like I'll be spending a lot of time there today.....

When you get a chance check out
http://rolledon.forummotion.com/bodywork-preparation-f10/rustoleum-advice-t367.htm
Adding an enamel hardener may be the ticket to getting Rusto and bit more durable.
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 15th 2010, 10:21 am

Thanks for the link on the hardener, I'll definitely try it on my next project!
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 16th 2010, 9:16 am

Another question, what is the best way to wash/clean foam pads? I use to throw my wool pads in the washer, I'm guessing not a good idea with a foam pad.
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Post by 1tuff68 on March 16th 2010, 10:31 am

Depends on the manufacturer. I have Meguiar's and Lake Country wool pads and I wash both in the washing machine with powdered Tide on regular cycle. I add about 1 cup of vinegar to the rinse cycle. Works great and the pads hold up fine.

I can't say if other pads hold up to machine washing or not. If not, you can wash by hand.
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Post by stang_krazy on March 16th 2010, 11:36 am

I've been soaking my foam pads in hot water for a few minutes, then use dawn direct foam and spraying a couple sprays on the pad itself and using my finger tips and rubbing around and then put face down again in the hot water. Let soak for a few more minutes, then rinsing with cold water and squeezing out as much water as possible with a towel and laying face down on a rack to let air dry for a couple days before putting back into the open zip lock bags or containers.

Also while using my pads about every other loading of product I will take a micro-fiber towel and turn on the machine (DA or rotary) and place the micro-fiber against the face of the pad and let it spin on low speed to get some excess product off before applying more so as not to over saturate the foam pads with product. Been using meguiars soft buff like this for a couple years with no problems.

The new 7"soft buff 2.0 foam pads was made for putting in the washing machine.
http://www.autodetailingsolutions.net/w8207.html

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