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Post by JonChris on March 25th 2010, 1:18 pm

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I've been poking around the net and found this site through the insane Mopar thread. I've recently purchased a 1990 F-350 to replace my '94 F-150. The '94 is just a single cab and has only the 5 liter. I needed more cab space and more engine to tow with.

What I got was both a much larger engine (7.3 diesel) and an extra cab, but the paint leaves much to be desired. There is very little rust, no rust-through and only a couple minor dents. If I run my hand over the paint, it comes away white. Heh. So, while the truck looks decent enough, for now, it will not be too long before that paint fails completely and I end up with swiss cheese.

I'm a complete novice when it comes to body and paint, but I feel that this method will allow me to learn slowly enough to be able to fix mistakes as I go along.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by Milky on March 25th 2010, 1:25 pm

welcome jon

trial and error mate. i would suggest using hardener but not too much. i added a cap full to every tray of paint i used. the 1:1 ratio seems to be the most popular and i would say it is spot on. the experts on here are always at hand for advice.....its the only forum you need.........good luck !
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 25th 2010, 1:33 pm

Welcome....lots of great info here and a great bunch of helpfull people. Don't be affraid to ask questions and we like a lot of pictures.....
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Post by JonChris on March 25th 2010, 1:44 pm

63Falconconvert wrote:Welcome....lots of great info here and a great bunch of helpfull people. Don't be affraid to ask questions and we like a lot of pictures.....

I'm going to take some "Before" pics of the truck this afternoon. Along with some pics of my real love, the '94. Wish I could just bolt on an extra cab to her. I love that truck, but she is completely unusable in my current familial situation!

The '90 is white. I really would like to paint it black like my '94 but that would require a compete tear-down and...well...
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Post by 63Falconconvert on March 25th 2010, 1:47 pm

thats the beauty of a rolled job, color change is not to bad. You can use Rusto spray cans to paint your door jams, back side of the trunk and hood etc. A quick tape of all the seals and your good to go.
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Post by JonChris on March 25th 2010, 1:55 pm

63Falconconvert wrote:thats the beauty of a rolled job, color change is not to bad. You can use Rusto spray cans to paint your door jams, back side of the trunk and hood etc. A quick tape of all the seals and your good to go.

I really don't want to have to remove the 8 foot bed. I haven't got very much space, or the proper tools.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by stang_krazy on March 25th 2010, 3:18 pm

Welcome to rolled on Jon

Running your hand over your white truck and have the white on your hands doesn't been your paint is wasted, it's just that your paint was very badly neglected and the sun and weather has took it's toll on it. What you have is a single stage paint (a 2 stage paint consist of a base coat the color! then a clear over the base coat) That is dead paint that is oxidized and when you rub your hand over it what your having on your hands when removed is the old oxidized paint.

Not to get to deep on this topic check this thread out by one of the best professional paint polishers out there!
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22982-lesson-white-paint-teaches-us.html
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by 63Falconconvert on March 25th 2010, 3:21 pm

forgot about the bed...I'm so use to "thinking car" and not truck....
White will still look good, some red & black pin striping would look sharp
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by JonChris on March 25th 2010, 3:26 pm

stang_krazy wrote:Welcome to rolled on Jon

Running your hand over your white truck and have the white on your hands doesn't been your paint is wasted, it's just that your paint was very badly neglected and the sun and weather has took it's toll on it. What you have is a single stage paint (a 2 stage paint consist of a base coat the color! then a clear over the base coat) That is dead paint that is oxidized and when you rub your hand over it what your having on your hands when removed is the old oxidized paint.

Not to get to deep on this topic check this thread out by one of the best professional paint polishers out there!
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22982-lesson-white-paint-teaches-us.html

Thanks for the link! The oxidization is not even remotely the only problem. The body is straight but there are tons of dings, scratches and chips that are in the early stages of rusting. Plus, the previous owner used a rattle can white as a rust preventative, the problem is that it is not even close to the same white. Hehe.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by stang_krazy on March 25th 2010, 5:20 pm

JonChris wrote: There is very little rust, no rust-through and only a couple minor dents. If I run my hand over the paint, it comes away white. Heh.
I see. This is what I was going by and just trying to help it look alittle better until the repaint.

How about some pics anyway?
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by RoboGeek on March 25th 2010, 5:27 pm

welcome to the forums!
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by retired plumber on March 25th 2010, 7:26 pm

Welcome JonChris
Thats a BIG truck and a diesel to boot. Is it a super cab or a 4 door cab? Lots of work there to roll it, however you will save even more money because of the size. The bigger the car (truck) the more they charge you.lol Thiefs they are. They don't realize there are other ways to paint now and they don't have you over a barrel anymore lol!
Sounds like a good project. Have fun and if you need help, just post.
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Post by JonChris on March 25th 2010, 7:32 pm

It's a 4 door. And yes. It is huge. I plan on tackling it in parts. Trying to do the whole thing at once would overwhelm me.

And pics are coming! I grabbed my camera and, like always, it is dead. I'm charging it now.

After mulling it over I think I am going to scrap my want for black and just do white. It seems easier to accomplish for a first project and all the bodywork I'm going to do will still be done later if I decide to repaint it black.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by Sneke_Eyez on March 25th 2010, 10:48 pm

Sounds like a good plan for a huge truck.

My dad is a Ford truck guy (actually a Ford guy in general) and he used to have a red 96 F150 XL with the heavy duty springs in the back.
I really like that style of F series pickups (93-96), its probably the only style of Ford pickup that I'd consider owning myself.
He now has a 2001 XLT, but I'm not a huge fan of it.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by JonChris on March 27th 2010, 9:20 pm






Well, pics! Looking to start peeling trim off and cleaning it all up after Easter.
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by stang_krazy on March 27th 2010, 10:58 pm

It still looks in good shape to me, and the daddy of the ford trucks thumbs up
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Post by RoboGeek on March 28th 2010, 10:57 am

Truck?? That things bigger than my house!!! lol
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by retired plumber on March 28th 2010, 10:53 pm

At least it looks to be in good shape to me also except for the very minor things you showed us. It should be an easy job except for the size.

Just a thought. If you really want it black, behind the cab and the front of the bed won't be seen so you can do the underhood and door jambs with a spray can and also spray into the opening between the cab and bed. I know this works because I have done it in color changes. Trust me, you would have to really look to see the color difference. Of course the white WILL be a lot easier tho.

One more thing, you might want to make sure the rust spot on the door body crease in your picture isn't comming from the inside. I can't tell from the pix but I have seem that happen before.

Good luck and enjoy your project.

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Post by JonChris on March 29th 2010, 12:08 am

It's surface rust. I scratched a bit off myself to check since I had the same thought. The previous owner had painted over it with what appears to be a white primer. Whatever it was it isn't a sealing paint so the rust is bleeding through. As for the black, I think I am going to stay with white since I think it will be more forgiving on the learning curve. I can always repaint again in a couple years if this works out well.

I'm getting pretty excited. The tool list is getting exceptionally long, though. =)
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Re: Hopeless, but optomistic.

Post by retired plumber on March 29th 2010, 6:16 pm

I really don't care for the term "tools", I prefer to use toys, Especially if they aren't needed to make a living with Laughing .
Regular old primer is not water proof like a lot of people think and moisture will go through it and rust WILL happen.
White is cool in that it doesn't show dings and stuff as much a black either.
Stay excited because you will need it with such a large project but seeing things progress helps a lot also.
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Post by RoboGeek on March 29th 2010, 10:43 pm

I look back at how scared I was after 4 coats, thinking I ruined the whole car.. lol
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Post by buckz on March 29th 2010, 10:58 pm

RoboGeek wrote:I look back at how scared I was after 4 coats, thinking I ruined the whole car.. lol

I was thinking the same thing about 30 minutes ago after my third, but it keeps getting better with each coat...just have to hang in there
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Post by JonChris on March 30th 2010, 12:37 am

RoboGeek wrote:I look back at how scared I was after 4 coats, thinking I ruined the whole car.. lol

I just have to keep reminding myself that if I do nothing the car will be ruined in short order anyway. Even if it looks like complete and utter crap after I finish, at least it won't rust any more. =P
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Post by Sneke_Eyez on April 14th 2010, 8:32 am

Sweet truck!
I forgot you said it was a 4 door, I always liked the 4 door versions of those trucks, they're pretty rare, at least around me.
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Post by JonChris on April 14th 2010, 10:19 pm

Sneke_Eyez wrote:Sweet truck!
I forgot you said it was a 4 door, I always liked the 4 door versions of those trucks, they're pretty rare, at least around me.

It's been raining and snowing almost since I got the truck. Finally starting to clear out now, though. I'm hoping to be able to start cleaning and sanding soon.
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