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Re: 1963 Ford Falcon

Post by 63Falconconvert on July 23rd 2011, 7:36 am

Ok up at 4:30 Am and ready to prime. The temp is going to be in the 90's again today and the humidity about 80 percent so I want to get a jump on this.
The Tools: 1 quart and 1 spray bomb of Rusto Filler, a good quallity foam roller and my fingers crossed.



To my surprise the Filler Primer was very thin compared to regular automotive primer. Rolled the first coat and we got problems. The primer must be lacquer based because it started to lift the cheap enamal paint that was on the car. I'm going to bet that there was no hardener added when the last putz painted the car. As the primer dried it settled and I know it will block out. I use to see this all the time when I was doing a lot of painting. I only have a few big spots and many small arears that lifted.



After letting the first coat dry for 30 minutes I rolled a second coat. Coverage was much better.










The tight areas like the tail light area and trunk recess I sprayed bombed. I must have cheap foam brushes. The primer ate them in a matter of minutes.



One mistake was lining the pan with foil. As the paint dried in the pan it pulled off when I went to load the roller causing clumping.



I'm going to let this dry for a day, block with 320 then roll on 2 more coats. I may switch to the Rusto primer/surfacer like T. Hadley used. That I can get at the local Auto Zone in a gallon can, the filler only comes in quart size. The Filler is $22 a quart, the surfacer is $44 a gallon so that is a no brainer....Just doing the rear quarters ate up the entire quart of paint.

Please feel free to comment. If you guys see anything that could be better please give me your opinions.

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Post by rmdhokie on July 23rd 2011, 6:27 pm

Bob, your project is looking good. Any thought to adding/mixing in some base color (white, right?) with your next two or last coat of primer? I know your using Rusto Topside, but even mixing in some regular white Rusto with your primer will probably help with coverage. I remember wishing I did.
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Post by cac1967 on July 23rd 2011, 11:43 pm

looking really good ,I would block sand the primer every 2 or 3 coats, what you have done look's really good so far keep up the good work!!!!!
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Post by Wannabebodyman on July 24th 2011, 12:37 pm

That body line looks good. It looks nice and striaght.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 24th 2011, 8:06 pm

I blocked with 320 today and rolled a coat of the primer/surfacer. Had to add a little thinner because of the heat and humidity. Blocked again after dinner and went back and fixed a few spots that I wasn't happy with. I plan on getting up at 4:30 tomorrow to roll another coat.
Thanks guys for all of your help.
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Post by dean_af on July 25th 2011, 7:13 am

I wish the 61' had buckets like that for the tail lights.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 25th 2011, 10:52 am

dean_af wrote:I wish the 61' had buckets like that for the tail lights.

Dean...I didn't realize they were different.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 25th 2011, 11:17 am

Up at 4:30 AM to roll another coat of primer. The garage was a warm 78 degrees even though it was only 69 outside. I rolled a mix of 3 parts primer to 1 part Penatrol. It still dried to fast but the Penatrol did level it out.
I like the Rusto primer/surfacer much better then the Rusto primer/filler that I started with. It really builds nice and sands easy without clumping.
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Post by retired plumber on July 25th 2011, 1:48 pm

Only a truely dedicated man gets up at 4:30 am to primer a car Laughing .
Could you tell us the difference between the primer/surfacer and the primer/filler. I'm sure several people would like to know.
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Re: 1963 Ford Falcon

Post by dean_af on July 25th 2011, 4:32 pm

63Falconconvert wrote:
dean_af wrote:I wish the 61' had buckets like that for the tail lights.

Dean...I didn't realize they were different.
Here is the 61' Ignore the odd shaped part to the left. That is the way the new panel came, I have to trim it. The Buckets on the 63' look like they would weld in on the 61'
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Re: 1963 Ford Falcon

Post by 63Falconconvert on July 25th 2011, 9:23 pm

that is totally different from the 63. I see what you mean aout getting the panel to "fit" correctly.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 25th 2011, 9:33 pm

retired plumber wrote:Only a truely dedicated man gets up at 4:30 am to primer a car Laughing .
Could you tell us the difference between the primer/surfacer and the primer/filler. I'm sure several people would like to know.
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OK Mike you're putting me on the spot here. I took the following explaination right from the Rusto web site.

"Rust-Oleum® Filler Primer is a hi-build formula that fills in minor imperfections in the surface and improves top coat adhesion and appearance."

"Rust-Oleum® Primer Surfacer is ideal for improving adhesion of the final topcoat and enhancing paint’s color. When brushed or sprayed to metal or fiberglass surfaces, this high build, rust resistant, sandable formula will hide sanding scratches and quickly fills uneven surfaces."

I liked the Surfacer better, it went on heavier (I did reduce it a little because of the hot weather), it filled better then the filler primer did. Both sanded about the same.
It reminded be of the old Evercoat Feather-Fill. Mike I know you rememeber that stuff. It could fill a 1/2 dent it was so think and heavy.... loony
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Post by 86 stang on July 26th 2011, 2:20 pm

sculpt applaude nice coming right along
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Re: 1963 Ford Falcon

Post by 63Falconconvert on July 27th 2011, 5:52 am

86 stang wrote: sculpt applaude nice coming right along

Thanks, the heat is making progress really slow.

Last night I threw on the bumper and tail lights, cleaned the primer dust off the car and backed it out of the garage. I have the day off today and am going to a car show that is being put on by the company I use to work for. They do this every year for employees, x-employees, retirees etc. It's a nice show. When I worked there (from 1995-2007) we would get about 100 cars for the show but due to tough economic times the show only draws around 50 or so cars. I still go every year being I was one of the originators of the show. It's nice seeing a lot of my old co-workers and talking about old times. I'll post some pics tonight of the show.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 4th 2011, 12:31 pm

Here is a link to the car show I went to last week. It was at the company that I use to work for. http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/mrgearsrus/Gleason%20Cruise%20Day%202011/?start=all

Hey who is that goofy looking guy next to that half primered Falcon ha ha
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Post by cac1967 on August 4th 2011, 7:26 pm

Glad to see someone else drive their car in primer, have some friend's that would'nt be seen dead in a primered classic car, look's great bob,love the pic's from the show ,they had a great turnout!!!! Love the small local cruise in's and show's!!! Your car give's me the inspiration to finish my 64 falcon, just need to finish the interior and a few odd's and end's. thumbs up
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 4th 2011, 10:53 pm

cac1967 wrote:Glad to see someone else drive their car in primer, have some friend's that would'nt be seen dead in a primered classic car, look's great bob,love the pic's from the show ,they had a great turnout!!!! Love the small local cruise in's and show's!!! Your car give's me the inspiration to finish my 64 falcon, just need to finish the interior and a few odd's and end's. thumbs up

Thanks.....I kind of like driving it half done. People ask questions about the repairs, then when I tell them I "rolled' the primer they give me the "deer in the headlight look......I just say "you wouldn't get it, so I'm not going to try to explain"
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Post by cac1967 on August 4th 2011, 11:34 pm

Yea , I get that look when I say I'm going to paint my falcon with rustoleum!!!!
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Post by snafu on August 5th 2011, 10:45 am

It must feel good to have all of that rust out of there.

I tried using some of those red handle foam brushes and you're right - they're pretty worthless.
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Post by rmdhokie on August 5th 2011, 9:28 pm

Bob: from the photo, the repairs on the rear quarters look real good. Is that wetsanded, looks pretty smooth. When are you rolling some color?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 8th 2011, 10:03 pm

rmdhokie wrote:Bob: from the photo, the repairs on the rear quarters look real good. Is that wetsanded, looks pretty smooth. When are you rolling some color?

The lower part of the quarters behind the rear wheels is still very wavey. Im going to block again with 150, 220, reprime, hit it with a black guide coat, block again with 220. If needed I'll lay on a coat of Evercoat polyester putty and go from there. When I lay a straight edge accross the panel I'm still seeing gaps of light. All of the welding I did really tweaked the quarters out of shape, I'll get it straight.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 18th 2011, 10:20 pm

spent 5 hours tonight fighting with the lower rear quarter. blocked with 80, coat with Evercoat Polyester putty, block with 150, repeat, repeat, repeat, eat freeze pops, sand, coat, sand coat......Im at my breaking point with this fender. There is one area right in the center of the wheel opening, right on the body line that is sucked in. I already have 3/16" of filler and I really don't want to go any more. Now I'm wondering if I should of spent the $ on new patch panels. Im going to get up early and roll a coat of primer before heading into work.
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Post by dean_af on August 19th 2011, 9:23 am

Post some pics. Is is something people will see or something that will drive you nuts know because you know it's there?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 19th 2011, 9:45 am

A little of both. I got up and primed this morning. I was shot last night so I'll take a day off and give it one more try on Saturday. That will be my last round. I need to get some paint on this "daily driver"....It's 100 times straighter then when I started but not where I'm happy with it.
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Post by stang_krazy on August 19th 2011, 12:14 pm

Great job on the falcon, you've really done a nice job on making your own panels to the finsh on the welding. You and T's body work with all the pics will help me greatly when time comes for me to get a 77-81 trans-am.

I was thinking about trying to save up to have the body work done but with what I sell and you guys and a buddy that does restores on classic cars and body work in general I think I would fell so much better at knowing that I did the work myself.

this pic did jump out at me. LOL
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