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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on March 8th 2012, 10:20 am

My cowl vents are going!
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by 63Falconconvert on March 8th 2012, 10:25 am

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Post by dean_af on March 9th 2012, 4:34 pm

After reading weather or not I need cowl vents, I figured it was better to vent to allow fresh air in and help to defrost the windows. I decided to keep the cowl vents but, re-locate them. This way I can eliminate the traditional vents that are notorious for rotting Falcons and Mustangs. I had no rust in my cowl. For the area I live in, this is nothing short of a miracle. lol








Sealer is still wet in this pic.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by 63Falconconvert on March 9th 2012, 4:39 pm

Looks good. thumbs up
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by T.Hadley on March 10th 2012, 2:21 am

I like it nice mod.

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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on March 10th 2012, 10:38 am

Thanks guys.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 2nd 2012, 8:42 pm

O.k. A guy has a motor for sale. It is a 260 out of an Alpine Tiger. about 60K on it when pulled 20+ years ago. I like the sixes but I am tempted. Good idea, Bad idea? Intake has been changed to a 4bbl set up.

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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by T.Hadley on April 2nd 2012, 10:37 pm

I'm a huge fan of the v8 cars so my vote is to go that way, I don't know about going with a 260 though, If your going to make the move, I highly recommend the late model roller cam motors, the 260 was rated at I think 160 hp, and the late motors are rated at 220 stock, add a carb and headers and you have an easy 250 hp


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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 3rd 2012, 10:26 am

T.Hadley wrote:I'm a huge fan of the v8 cars so my vote is to go that way, I don't know about going with a 260 though, If your going to make the move, I highly recommend the late model roller cam motors, the 260 was rated at I think 160 hp, and the late motors are rated at 220 stock, add a carb and headers and you have an easy 250 hp


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I agree that would be a much better motor. I was also thinking about a SHO 6. The only appeal to the 260 is it would be more era correct. I don't want a lot of HP in this car. The expense of building up suspension, drive train etc. in a Falcon isn't worth it. Mustang, different story. I've seen guys spend 20K + on a Falcon and sell it for 6K Crying or Very sad
If I can find a rear end and front end upgrades without going aftermarket, I would love to add a Late model roller. So many options, so little money.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by superdave on April 3rd 2012, 11:07 am

dean_af wrote:
T.Hadley wrote:I'm a huge fan of the v8 cars so my vote is to go that way, I don't know about going with a 260 though, If your going to make the move, I highly recommend the late model roller cam motors, the 260 was rated at I think 160 hp, and the late motors are rated at 220 stock, add a carb and headers and you have an easy 250 hp


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I agree that would be a much better motor. I was also thinking about a SHO 6. The only appeal to the 260 is it would be more era correct. I don't want a lot of HP in this car. The expense of building up suspension, drive train etc. in a Falcon isn't worth it. Mustang, different story. I've seen guys spend 20K + on a Falcon and sell it for 6K Crying or Very sad
If I can find a rear end and front end upgrades without going aftermarket, I would love to add a Late model roller. So many options, so little money.

With all the mods you have made, I wouldn't be too worried about being era correct. If that was the way I was leaning, I'd probably stick with the 6 banger and throw a few goodies on it.

As for the 260, I wouldn't. What I would do is consider a 289 or a 302. Those are going to be just as easy to drop in, no more expensive, and are much more desireable when you do eventually sell it. Anybody that is going to buy the car from you is going to be saying "That motor has to go".
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 3rd 2012, 11:57 am

Yeah. I agree. I'm thinking possibly a larger 6 for now. The 144 is fine but has issues. I have a 302 from a 69 Mustang sitting in my shed. Makes more sense to rebuild that than buy the 260. My space is limited.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by cac1967 on April 3rd 2012, 8:36 pm

I would go with the 302, a mild cam , a good set of head's and a basic 4 v set up would carry the little falcon for ride, A friend of my dad's has a 62 falcon with a 347 and a tremec 5 speed, it is scary fast!!!!!!
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by Tommy Hillbilly on April 4th 2012, 1:26 am

Meh, if you're not looking for big power, and the price is right, that 260 might be the right way to go.

Comparing it to the 289-302, the only person who will ever notice the difference, is the person who drives it. It should sound pretty much the same.

But if you can build the 302 for less, that would be the way to go.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 4th 2012, 6:47 am

The guy is asking $300 for the motor. The 302 block will cost over $1500 before I do the top end, carb, heads etc...
Another guy has a 200 with a c4 attached to it out of a Granada, Gas is $5.60 as of today. Re-thinking a six lol.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by Pierrel on April 4th 2012, 11:25 am

dean_af wrote:The guy is asking $300 for the motor. The 302 block will cost over $1500 before I do the top end, carb, heads etc...
Another guy has a 200 with a c4 attached to it out of a Granada, Gas is $5.60 as of today. Re-thinking a six lol.

Im getting about 12-14 mpg with a 302 from 1987, IF i drive carefully. Wink I know I'm loosing some MPG somewhere, might be the huge carb (750cfm) thats the thief.
With the current gas prices, i would consider a 6 cylinder. Depending on how you're going to use the car of course. But i like using my cars, and I'm sure you do too Smile
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by superdave on April 4th 2012, 12:35 pm

As far as mileage goes, just how much do you intend to drive the car? I know people with "fun" cars that they'll drive 3 or 4 thousand miles a year and will fret over gas mileage. I keep telling them "Who cares" unless you are racking up the miles. I was asked the other day what kind of gas mileage I got with my MGB with the Chevy V6. I've never checked.

If you are going to do something with the motor anyway, then it makes sense to consider mileage, but not at the expense of fun unless you are making the car a daily driver.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 4th 2012, 8:23 pm

I have used it as a daily driver for a few years in the past and want to again. Gas then was $2.50 a gallon less than today. I want to make a few big trips with the car. The 144 carb leaks like crazy even after adding a new one.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by superdave on April 4th 2012, 9:38 pm

dean_af wrote:I have used it as a daily driver for a few years in the past and want to again. Gas then was $2.50 a gallon less than today. I want to make a few big trips with the car. The 144 carb leaks like crazy even after adding a new one.

Sounds like a good candidate for a late model fuel injected 5.0 and an overdrive transmission then.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by T.Hadley on April 5th 2012, 6:42 pm

dean_af wrote:
T.Hadley wrote:I'm a huge fan of the v8 cars so my vote is to go that way, I don't know about going with a 260 though, If your going to make the move, I highly recommend the late model roller cam motors, the 260 was rated at I think 160 hp, and the late motors are rated at 220 stock, add a carb and headers and you have an easy 250 hp


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I agree that would be a much better motor. I was also thinking about a SHO 6. The only appeal to the 260 is it would be more era correct. I don't want a lot of HP in this car. The expense of building up suspension, drive train etc. in a Falcon isn't worth it. Mustang, different story. I've seen guys spend 20K + on a Falcon and sell it for 6K Crying or Very sad
If I can find a rear end and front end upgrades without going aftermarket, I would love to add a Late model roller. So many options, so little money.

You never get your money back out of a modded car, at least that been my experience, and as car guys that really drive and race there cars we really don't do it as an investment.

They made lots of the late model roller motors so they can be had cheap if you shop around.

Other than a 8" rear end you can do the swap with out upgrading any thing else, I ran the stock 6cyl springs and stock 4 lug front end on my Falcon for years.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on April 7th 2012, 8:50 am

Thanks! Good to know about the front end. That will save me some $$$. I started to look at Kijiji for a roller. I think I will go that route.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by Tommy Hillbilly on April 7th 2012, 9:15 pm

If it's just normal drivability you're after, then the best place to find efficiency is in the gearing. Overdrive is mandatory, preferably a manual like a T5. An AOD is OK, but if you're going to run a carb, you'd need to fab up or purchase kickdown linkage. I'd go for the 3.00:1 (or numerically lower) rear end gears, if there will be a lot of highway driving.
With those items, it really doesn't matter if you use a V8. A mild 302 with a factory DuraSpark II ignition, and a 600CFM or smaller vacuum-secondary carb, you should be able to almost match, or even exceed, 5.0 EFI/AOD economy.

The 200 could be good, but I've always wanted to put an EFI 4.9 straight 6 in an old Mustang/Falcon...
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by 63Falconconvert on April 12th 2012, 3:53 pm

I'm all about keeping it simple....find a nice 200 with a C4. Simple, cheap, easy swap. thumbs up
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by dean_af on May 5th 2012, 8:51 pm

Tomorrow I'm going to weld up the 14 trim holes on the driver's door. Fun. Pics to follow.
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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by Techmaven on May 6th 2012, 11:39 am

That 260 would be fine for what you want..The difference between it and a STOCK 289/302 would be marginal at anything but full boogie, foot to the floor driving. And the price sounds right.

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Re: 61 Falcon.

Post by Techmaven on May 6th 2012, 11:42 am

That 260 would be fine for what you want..The difference between it and a STOCK 289/302 would be marginal at anything but full boogie, foot to the floor driving. And the price sounds right...

Just saw your post about the 302..might as well use that!

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