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Post by kikkegek on July 9th 2011, 6:43 am

hi guys,

I am trying to roll my Suburban '86 in black and white. I have made some progress, but I am not satisfied with the results so far.

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I am using Rust-Oleum Combi Color - Anti Rust Primer and topcoat in one.

I have tried pure, 10% thinner, 20% thinner and 40% thinnner.

I have tried foam roller and flooring roller (short haired roller voor painting the floor)...

So far the combination of 20% thinner and the flooring roller have given the best result.

But all the combinations produce drops and runs....I havent tried thinning to 50%, because I am afraid it will run even more.

Can somebody plase help me?

it isnt very warm over here...like only 20C (=68 F)...and humudity is probably 60-70% right now...but there is a nice wind, so conditions are not too bad.

I am just not getting nice results.

should I push the roller hard, should I fill the roller up with paint or keep it rather dry? etc.?
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 9th 2011, 7:16 am

Remember thin coats are better. It looks like you're trying to get too much coverage all at once. This is a slow process.
Stick with what has been proven, a foam roller, thin coats, sanding out orange peel when needed.
Check out some of the pictures in the project section, you will see that the first few coats hardly cover.
Hope this helps.
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Post by kikkegek on July 9th 2011, 4:41 pm

got the second coat on today. 25% thinner seems the right mixture for me:











You can not really tell from the pictures. But it will at least take two to three more coats before it will look nice.
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Post by kikkegek on July 11th 2011, 4:47 am

I have put on the 3rd coat last evening/night.







I checked this morning and it is still not covering all the red that is underneath.

I also noiticed that the parts I finished last have dried up flat. I checked the temperature when I quit and it was around 60F. Not very warm, but within range.

What causes this flatness? and can I buff it? or should I put one final coat over for the shine?
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Post by cac1967 on July 11th 2011, 10:10 pm

The flatness may have been caused by dew settling on the paint, at that temperature with high humidity, it was most likely the dew settling on your paint.
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Post by retired plumber on July 11th 2011, 10:38 pm

The reason the red is showing through so much is because you did not put a coat of light gray primer under. Any time you put light over dark there is that problem.
cac1967 is right about the dew and your flat paint.
You can try buffing but I will almost bet you will need at least one more coat of paint, maybe two because when you sand all of the orange peel down flat you may still see some red. To get rid of that just keep putting on more red untill it covers good. Thats the only way to do it.
The 50:50 painters roll the loaded roller out in the paint pan untill there is very little paint on the roller. Thats why they put on so many coats but there isn't much orange peel to deal with either.
It all boils down to how much you want to do and when you are happy with the results. Your sweat equity + $$$$$ saved
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Post by kikkegek on July 12th 2011, 2:57 am

thanks for the tips guys. Yeah, I forgot all about the primer. I am gonna put black on the bottom of my car. Should I put primer on first? or can I just go over the red?
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Post by retired plumber on July 12th 2011, 8:02 pm

Black should be fine, however if you want to primer, just get a rattle can. All it takes is enough to cover. A couple of cans should do it.
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Post by kikkegek on July 19th 2011, 3:26 pm

a buddy of mine offered to put the Burb in his garage during painting! very cool of him.

since I am inside I figured i do some more stuff
repaired a hole in the rear fender.
repaired some rust and holes in the cargo door

and making some progress

it now has 4 layers of white on top. finally no red coming through.
I have one coat of black on and need one more. the black covers like the best. allmost in one coat.

















I need to take the rear bumper off to paint the red thing between the bumper and the chassis.





it looks kinda nice without the running boards. I might not put them back on.

I am now working with 25% thinner and that works great for me. pretty nice finish, some orangepeel, but not to bad. and almost no runner or drops.
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Post by cac1967 on July 19th 2011, 7:11 pm

Look's great, I love the white and black together,keep up the great work ,It will look really good when your finished!! Keep the pic's coming!! thumbs up
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Post by kikkegek on July 22nd 2011, 6:56 pm

outside is finished!





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Post by cac1967 on July 22nd 2011, 7:06 pm

Look's great , and just think of all the money saved, and you can tell people that you did it yourself!!!! thumbs up
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Post by kikkegek on July 23rd 2011, 6:50 am

took me about 170,- (Rust-Oleum is expensive here in Europe) and ofcourse a lot of my time...but loved doing it.

Still need to do the interior and inside of the doors, but the outisde really looks nice!
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Post by 63Falconconvert on July 23rd 2011, 7:47 am

thumbs up nice job....... Usually you don't see trucks like yours in Europe (big gas sucking trucks...lol)
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Post by kikkegek on July 23rd 2011, 11:15 am

thanks man! well. we love it and theres a couple more here in the neighbourhood!
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Post by kikkegek on August 2nd 2011, 7:14 am

Nice photo today at the beach in Scheveningen, Netherlands!

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Post by rmdhokie on August 2nd 2011, 10:20 pm

Looks good. Prep, roll, and enjoy. How are gas prices over there?
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Post by kikkegek on August 3rd 2011, 1:48 am

thanks man!

they are k illing, but I drive LPG which is less then half the price at the moment

regular gas: 1,70 per liter
LPG: 0,669 per liter

hahahahaha.... Very Happy
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