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Post by muthstryker on August 29th 2011, 10:39 pm

Hey guys,

First post here.. Anyways, this last friday I decided to try and do the roller paint job on my '67 Cutlass. Well, I put it on too thick and Im having a really hard time getting all the orange peel to sand off. The 400 is even struggling to remove it all. Do I not have to worry about getting it all off right now? Or..? Any tips or tricks at getting this smooth with out me having to sand it all off?

I will post pics in just a second.
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Post by jvandyke on August 29th 2011, 11:09 pm

Still working on my first job but I sanded with 600 between every coat and I left some peel (see my '81 Fiat thread in the projects section) but not much. I just tonight tried to get it ALL off and polish a small section and it worked and looked good but the more you keep the peel down now the better, I would knock it virtually all off and start over if I were you, if you let it go you'll never get it really good, IMHO. I would do an even better job between coats now that I've tried to take a small piece all the way to buff.
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Post by muthstryker on August 30th 2011, 10:27 am

Wasnt able to upload pics last night but here is what im taking about... I will check out your thread. Im actually running out of time and only have until september 6th to complete this. Maybe I started a little late?? LoL

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The roof


Pass side qrt Panel


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Post by jvandyke on August 30th 2011, 10:45 am

First coat? Sand it as much as you can, hammer it hard with 400, you don't have to get it 100% flattened but the closer you do, the better, the less sanding next time around. You will get more peel with every coat anyway. You can sand and recoat every 6 hours if conditions are good for drying, I could have but often waited longer just because I have other things I have to do in my life! I went with 60/40 paint to mineral spirits, very dry roll and went back and checked for runs/sags on the panel I did just before the one I finished rolling. Now that I know it must eventually be completely sanded flat, no shiny spots, when you switch to 1000 and work your way up to polish, well, all that peel must go eventually.
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Post by muthstryker on August 30th 2011, 10:59 am

Its like my 3rd coat, which is the one I ended up putting on to thick. The wet sanding kicks my *** because I have carpal tunnel (affects my wrists and fingers) so I havent really been able to sand a whole lot. I might try and buy one of those air powdered orbital wet sanders. Ill go at it again and see how it goes.
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Post by muthstryker on August 30th 2011, 11:02 am

Do you think going back over the entire car with 320 would be a good idea to get all the orange peel off? And then basically start back over? The paint would still be there but im wondering if it will just be quicker then sitting there for hours with the 400...
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Post by jvandyke on August 30th 2011, 11:08 am

I would try grittier paper to find the balance between knocking down the peel but leaving the "base". I never went below 600 but I probably should have. Remember, I'm in the middle of my first try to whatever I say is based on virtually NO experience!
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Post by muthstryker on August 30th 2011, 11:10 am

Ya but your further along then me so your more experienced!
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Post by jvandyke on August 30th 2011, 11:14 am

By the way, you're wet sanding yes? I use a block then after getting it pretty good used my hand, very very careful around any ridges, edges, and such. I burned through really quick last night and I thought I was done coating. Now I'm not so sure. Sand fast and hard but carefully. Get it pretty darn good as fast as you can, rinse the "slurry" off very very thoroughly while it's still wet. Coat again. Repeat, repeat repeat. After at least 7 coats (my guess at minimum), hopefully you can knock the peel ALL the way down without burning through anyway, then you can go to finer paper in stages then polish.
The painting part of this is easy and quick, it's about getting the paint BACK off (sanding) in a very controlled fashion, that's where the work is. It's all about sanding. And paper is expensive. I don't get the "$50" deal. I've spend more than that just on paper.
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Post by muthstryker on August 30th 2011, 12:04 pm

Ya I am learning tricks as I go, the wet sanding took awhile to figure out. I spent about 80$ for everything, I was givin about 150$ in sand paper so I got lucky and had grits 400,600,800, and 1500 about 50 sheets of each!
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Post by muthstryker on August 31st 2011, 10:40 am

Ended up going over the entire car with 220.. Then 400, and the 400 actually took off the sand scratches from the 220. I removed a majority of the orange peel, I was wet sanding with the 220 very lightly so I wouldnt remove alot of the paint. Tonight im going to put another coat on the car again as long as the weather holds. Ill start a project thread soon...
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Post by 63Falconconvert on August 31st 2011, 11:19 am

orange peel is tough to sand out once it really hardens up. Good luck, sounds like you have got it figured out.
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Post by muthstryker on August 31st 2011, 7:23 pm

Quick question, that 60/40 mix almost seems to thin.. Its as if my bubbles are "sliding" down the side of the car. I dont get it..
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Post by jvandyke on August 31st 2011, 9:57 pm

I've heard others talk of sliding bubbles. If the paint itself doesn't start to run I wouldn't worry about. Recheck freshly painted panels every couple minutes and if a run starts, roll it out again with a pretty dry roller. But, what do I know, I'm about ready to out and put on another coat because I suck.
Feel free to tweak the mix, everybody does it seems.
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Post by muthstryker on September 1st 2011, 9:47 am

Armed with 2 rollers, one with paint one without, there was zero bubbles as my paint dried. Pretty **** good reflection as is... So that solved my problems, I would put the paint on the car, let the paint sit for about 2-3 mins then roll over the paint with the roller that had no paint on it to pop the bubbles.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on September 5th 2011, 7:18 am

thumbs up it's nice when things come together
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Post by muthstryker on September 5th 2011, 8:23 pm

Heres an idea on the clarity..This is sanded with 800 grit and water running off the paint so it does look like there is still some orange peel but theres not. When I wipe it with mineral spirits its suuuper clear..

Anyways heres to pics.

The reflection



And this is the distance between my daily that your seeing in the reflection and the Cutlass.



Pretty **** good for a roller!!
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Post by 86 stang on September 5th 2011, 9:19 pm

i like it thumbs up
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Post by rmdhokie on September 5th 2011, 10:10 pm

The OP on your 3rd coat above looks normal to me. I had similar. For me the key was to take one panel at a time and work it flat. I used 600 grit. Make as perfect as you want or have time and patience to. I spent about 8 hours on each wetsanding stage. I hated it but it's important.
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Post by craigsnedeker on September 10th 2011, 5:04 pm

What's what mine looked like. I hate wet sanding because it's a back killer. The hood is fine, but the side panels. I did half the car, about 30-60 minutes of work, and I'm feeling it!!

But that paint is looking nice! Where did you pick up your rollers?
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Post by 86 stang on September 10th 2011, 7:59 pm

got mine at hd and lowes
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Post by muthstryker on September 11th 2011, 7:44 pm

I actaully enjoy wet sanding, however im going to pick up an air powered wet sander to move a little faster. It will cost a fortune but be worth it in the end. I got my rollers from lowes, but if you check ebay you can buy them in bulk for way cheaper.
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