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Post by subgraphic on November 14th 2011, 4:57 pm

Well, After lots of research and much thought- I'm starting my paint project on my sons vw bug.

I know gloss black is the hardest, and never having done any body or paint work I know what I'm up against. I have accepted that there will be flaws, mistakes and some what the hell was I thinking's, but I personally cannot stand flat black/primer cars so I have to do this to keep my very sanity. grin

I am doing tests on my hood now, and once Im satisfied with that, I will have the car broken down fully and the whole car will be done in earnest.

Here we have the car, pretty much done less exterior paint:








Here we have the hood after one roll of 50/50 Rustoleum Gloss black. I washed the car in dawn, rubbed down with Mineral spirits, tacked...


Looks good so far, huh?
Paint already looks deep as water. BUT WAIT...


There's FISH in that water!


WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT? All those eyes!!!

So.. 1st lesson learned. Use wax & degrease remover as well as the other stuff.
The flat black had these fisheyes already so I knew they would be there. Thank goodness they are ONLY on the hood, I wont have to deal with them on the rest of the car.

so, clean again, sand down with 320, then 400, then high build primer, sand again.



As it sits now. More to come.



I WILL update this as I move forward, I find the process extremely satisfying thumbs up
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Post by subgraphic on November 14th 2011, 5:17 pm

Oh, and one more thing, this forum is GREAT!
There is an amazingly friendly and helpful attitude here. Glad I fond the place..
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on November 14th 2011, 5:21 pm

Welcome. Nice bug. Are those Porsche hub caps?
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Post by tbirdsps on November 14th 2011, 5:28 pm

That's one nice bug. Yup black and red both show every flaw. But both black and red are the most satisfying colors when done.

Good luck. I can't wait to see the finished product.
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Post by subgraphic on November 14th 2011, 5:52 pm

Tommy Hillbilly wrote:Welcome. Nice bug. Are those Porsche hub caps?

Thanks!

Yes, Porsche caps- The wheels will be painted white as soon as The exterior paint is done, so they should pop more. New chrome moldings are on the way, as well as the polished OG bumpers.
Should be fairly nice when I'm done.... hoping anyway...
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Post by 63Falconconvert on November 14th 2011, 6:00 pm

subgraphic wrote:Oh, and one more thing, this forum is GREAT!
There is an amazingly friendly and helpful attitude here. Glad I fond the place..

This is by far the best auto related forum that I have been a part of. No head cases, everyone get along, we all help each other out.

That is a great looking bug. Take your time, ask a lot of questions and feel free to VENT when you run into problems. We have all been there.
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Post by wantajav on November 14th 2011, 6:56 pm

interior = fantastic

exterior = looks like you are on the right track except for the fish eyes which you have addressed ---looking forward to following the progress
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Post by cac1967 on November 14th 2011, 10:08 pm

Awesome progress!!!! going to look great!!!!!! thumbs up
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Post by rmdhokie on November 14th 2011, 10:55 pm

Bugs are cool. I really like your interior. I used the rusto wax and grease remover with good results. keep the pics coming.
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Post by T.Hadley on November 15th 2011, 1:05 am

With gloss black you have to block every thing never put sand paper on your car with out a block.

Here's my thread, I did my sons car in black, it was a real learning experience, but it came out good.


http://rolledon.forummotion.com/t420-1976-mustang-cobra http://rolledon.forummotion.com/t420-1976-mustang-cobra


Nice car BTW.

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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on November 15th 2011, 1:35 am

63Falconconvert wrote:
subgraphic wrote:Oh, and one more thing, this forum is GREAT!
There is an amazingly friendly and helpful attitude here. Glad I fond the place..

This is by far the best auto related forum that I have been a part of. No head cases, everyone get along, we all help each other out.
I've never seen anything which needed moderation here. Granted there's not a whole hell of a lot of traffic here, but this is about the most harmonious forum I've seen.

I think it helps that the average age here is probably >40 years. I know I'm holding that average up...
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on November 15th 2011, 1:38 am

Also a great diversity of cars represented here. (Except for all the damned Mustangs... Twisted Evil ) All other forums I belong to are brand, or even model, specific.
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Post by 63Falconconvert on November 15th 2011, 10:52 am

Tommy Hillbilly wrote:Also a great diversity of cars represented here. (Except for all the damned Mustangs... Twisted Evil ) All other forums I belong to are brand, or even model, specific.

The bottom line is that we are all as cheap as the day is long..... lol! we are all just "do it yourself" guys that don't want to pay $5000 or more for a decent paint job.

Love the interior especially the cup holder rack, never seen one like that. I'm a junkie for vintage car accesories.
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Post by snafu on November 15th 2011, 11:22 am

I was thinking the same thing about that cupholder. That's way cooler than the aftermarket plastic crap most people put in their cars.

Looks like you're off to a good start, subgraphic.
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Post by subgraphic on November 15th 2011, 5:10 pm

Thanks everyone!

Sanding with 600, and coat # 3 goes on tonight...
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on November 17th 2011, 5:04 am

And I just noticed the tail light lenses. The lights are obviously the smaller ones from the '60s, but the lenses have orange/amber in them, like the later ones in the early mid '70s (US market at least).

The motor looks sweet too. I like the degree marks on the crank pulley.

Back in the early mid '70s, my mom's hippy brother had an old-at-the-time bug, (dark blue or black with bent rusty bumpers) and the whole interior was shag carpet. I don't think it even had a back seat, just the two front buckets, the steering wheel, and shag carpet. I mean even the headliner/ceiling was shag carpet. I don't remember if the doors were carpeted or not, this was like almost 40 years ago...
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Post by subgraphic on November 18th 2011, 4:37 pm

Tommy Hillbilly wrote:And I just noticed the tail light lenses. The lights are obviously the smaller ones from the '60s, but the lenses have orange/amber in them, like the later ones in the early mid '70s (US market at least).

The motor looks sweet too. I like the degree marks on the crank pulley.

Back in the early mid '70s, my mom's hippy brother had an old-at-the-time bug, (dark blue or black with bent rusty bumpers) and the whole interior was shag carpet. I don't think it even had a back seat, just the two front buckets, the steering wheel, and shag carpet. I mean even the headliner/ceiling was shag carpet. I don't remember if the doors were carpeted or not, this was like almost 40 years ago...

Good catch! I had no idea...

Coats 5 and 6 are on, and will be wetsanding tonight with 800, then coat 7. Just for the hood still...
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Post by tbirdsps on November 18th 2011, 4:46 pm

Interesting bit of trivia about the amber tail lights. Back when they started that (unknown to me) every state was good with it except for Connetticut. They madated lenses that were all red. All the VWs delivered to Conn. went straight to the shop and the techs changed the euro spec lights to red.
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Post by Tommy Hillbilly on November 18th 2011, 4:55 pm

According to my memory, Rolling Eyes the tail lights got bigger around 1970 or so, and continued with all red lenses, and they started using the lenses with amber in them, around '73 or '74.
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Post by subgraphic on December 14th 2011, 8:31 pm

OK, update time. Slight change pf plans.

Well, 8 coats on my hood, and although I haven't final wet-sanded with 1500 or polished, I was disappointed to see the hood turned out very dull.

I'm sure cut and polishing will bring it out more, but I have seen where people have had gloss and shine with out that final step.

Ay any rate, after MANY more hours of research, I have decided to spray the car with a wagner fine spray HVLP unit. I will use interlux for UV protection and now I just need to decide if I want to strip my interior and do a complete color change (dash and inner doors) or stay with black and just spray the outside.
As you can see from this crappy pic, the hood isn't much different from the rest of the car (flat black)







I used Rustoleum and Mineral spirits, rolled 6 to 12 hours apart, sanded every 2 coats as usual. I dunno. Sad

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Post by cac1967 on December 14th 2011, 8:51 pm

I would try the cut and buff first, this may bring it back, try the ultimate compound and then buff it with ultimate polish. as far as wet sanding I would start with 1000 and work my way up to 2000 then buf with a rotary buffer before I painted it again,just my 2 cents though.and 1 more question , was the humidty very high when you painted? this could result in a dull finish because of moisture in the air.
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Post by subgraphic on January 10th 2012, 1:34 am

So I'm still working on my hood, testing and getting it all down.

I have ran into a weird issue on my test area. It looks like some sort of stain under the paint.


dont mind the other blemishes please. A better shot:




What could cause this? It didn't look abnormal after the paint, 8 coats rolled on a month ago. It only showed up after I wet sanded and used ultimate compound with a rotary on slow speed.

Can anyone help? hi

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Post by cac1967 on January 10th 2012, 8:51 pm

Appears to be sanded through to another layer of paint, this is what appear's when you sand through clear on bc/cc. go up a few grit's on your paper and buff with uc then buff with the ult polish. If it does not come out just sand with 600 and repaint. Just my 2 cents
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Post by subgraphic on January 11th 2012, 12:55 am

THANK YOU!
This is exactly the type of advice I was looking for. I did wet sand that spot maybe a bit more than I should have. My first time wet sanding Smile

The good news is I'm VERY happy with how the shine came out with the reg gloss black. I have a new Wagner max spray unit, all the paint, paper, masking, tools I need to get it done... Just need to find the time Smile
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Post by leeready on January 11th 2012, 12:07 pm

Which wagner do you have? I have this one: http://www.homedepot.com/buy/paint/paint-sprayers/wagner/control-spray-double-duty-93373.html

I only sprayed the hood on my last project. It came out good.
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